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can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - Tahira - 16-02-2012

i'm just curious...will taking these herbs over an extended period of time make a male impotent?

RE: can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - Diva chick 32 - 16-02-2012

(16-02-2012, 05:34 PM)tara koxx Wrote:  i'm just curious...will taking these herbs over an extended period of time make a male impotent?
Hello tara koxx.

I cannot answer about PM,have never used it(yet) but both SP,FG seem to raise my testosterone as well as my Libido.weird I know,I guess everyone is different.


RE: can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - JMT - 16-02-2012

The increased estrogen can have an effect on your equipment, including shrinkage and a lower libido. I understand that over the long term it can also result in sterility. I haven't read anywhere yet of it resulting in permanent impotence though (if by impotence you mean the ability to have an erection). When you take a break from it, things should function better, or you could try some of the other herbals designed for that purpose (read bryony's posts about Butea Superba).

Also, if you look up HRT MTF on wikipedia there's a good bit of information.

RE: can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - Tahira - 16-02-2012

thank you both for the quick responses!
by impotent i mean sterile, sorry if there was any confusion.
honestly, i wouldn't mind shrinkage lol.

RE: can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - bryony - 17-02-2012

(16-02-2012, 10:55 PM)tara koxx Wrote:  thank you both for the quick responses!
by impotent i mean sterile, sorry if there was any confusion.
honestly, i wouldn't mind shrinkage lol.

Experiments with male rats seems to imply that the PM phytoestrogen does not cause sterility.

I'm taking 42mg/kg body weight per day, which most people consider a high dosage.
This paper says the following:
"The PM-10 and PM-100 treatments had no effect on testicular weight, sperm number, and serum LH, FSH, and testosterone levels. Only the PM-100 treatment reduced weights of epididymes and seminal vesicle and the sperm motility and viability." Where PM-10 and PM-100 means 10 or 100mg/kg body weight respectively.

The normal dosage for TG males is (according to Ainterol) 4 x 500mg per day. For someone of around 150 lbs, that equates to around 25mg/kg dosage.

The paper goes on to say:
" The present data clearly demonstrate that a long-term treatment of PM at doses 10 and 100 mg/kg BW/d, via oral route, does not alter a male fertility and a hypothalamus pituitary-testis axis. Although PM-100 can cause some moderate impairment, no persistent effects were observed. Most of PM-treated mice increased the mating efficiency after stop treatment."

Of course, we aren't rats (well, most of us).

All that being said, if having kids is important to you, it's probably worth getting your sperm frozen, just in case (and make sure the potential mother knows what's going on! Smile )

Good luck

Bryony

RE: can taking PM, SP, or FG make you impotent? - Tahira - 17-02-2012

thank you, bryony.
so scientific, amazing!