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Boobie paste?
October 30 2007 at 1:00 AM Anon (no login)
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Is it a good idea to make a boobie paste from the estrogen herbs (Red Clover or Fennugreek) and rub that on the breasts daily? Is that better than taking orally?
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Louise
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 5:59 AM
Rubbing it in gives less that taking orally but what you do get doesn't go via the liver - I think most people are doing both oral and topical. The way to improve absorption of topicals seems to be DMSO but not many people have tried it and make sure you read my DMSO cautions post on the main page ifyou're thinking of trying it as it's serious stuff. Manual stimulation of the breasts seems to give growth and shape so massage seems to be a good thing even if you just use baby oil or body lotion.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 7:06 AM
You need to utilize the tinctures or extracts of those herbs,they would be better for absorption.
I keep coming across the opposite info. as Louise said as to topical apps.
I keep finding where it is more effective to apply the estrogenics topically as the breast tissues and fat tissues are intrinsically better suited for absorption of those things.
Perhaps I'm not reading all the proper research or studys.
For one,I read that Dr.Lee said it was better,as some studies proved it.
Hey,I wont say yea or nay definitely.I just go with what I feel is right in my intuition.
So,Anony....try them in those forms I said,...add them into a good coconut butter cream and try it....its all we can say.....ya gotta be a guinea piggy too sometimes. Please let us know how it goes.
I found a good simple Vit E cocoa butter cream at the Dollar general Store,its only 2.oo for 3-4 oz. I use it as a base for adding herb preps to.
They have a good cocoa butter hand cream in a huge bottle for only 1-2 dollars.
I would start with a certain amount of cream and add a certain amount of drops of the extracts or tintures and record that in notes,then use it for awhile and if you dont feel anything,then increase the doses of herb preps into the cream.Just keep records so you can repeat the successes.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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mbe
(Login mbe1) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 7:10 AM
I rub in a breast growth cream daily.
I either use a commercial product such as Perfect Woman or I use a homemade cream - fenugreek, saw palmeto and wild yam extract mixed with a commercial wild yam lotion or lavander lotion.
Massaging your breasts is also an important stimulation for breast growth.
______________
www.male-breast-enlargement.org | http://malebreastenlargement.blogspot.com/
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 11:24 PM
Make sure you don't use DMSO with any commercial creams - it will absorb into your blood stream and internal organs! Only put in DMSO what you would be willing to eat and make sure you wash off with water after 30 mins (need to stay topless in the meantime). Remember that fats and proteins can't be absorbed through the skin e.g. collagen.
Davi-Lee,
What do you think about the need for the digestive process to activate phytoestrogens?
Have you got any further on fermented vs non-fermented soy?
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Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 2:33 AM
Hi Louise, what is the DSMO? I haven't heard of that term.
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Lost Sheep
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 5:40 AM
It's an industrial solvent. Have a look at this, that's where I ordered from:
http://www.dmso-use.com/dmso_bz_solution.html
It increases skin absorption by about 1000x (still only lets in small molecules) so that supposedly using topicals is equivalent to using internally. If you are going to try it make sure you reas the cautions post on the main forum because it is serious stuff. I'm using it to see if it has an effect on the growth by tissue breakdown and repair mechanism with te vacuum pumps.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 8:25 AM
Wow...that DMSO sound better all the time...HAHAHA....omgawd....
It sounds dreadful actually.....why would you want to use something like that inyour body....something thats called "Industrial solvent"...usually doesnt bring to my mind "health","wellbeing","nature"
It brings to mind toxicity and poisoning.
If it makes you that sensitive to everything then it cant be good for you.
You may wind up with an auto-immune disorder.You dont want that,at all.
I would be very careful using that stuff where plastics are involved,plastics breakdown constantly in the environment,you could absorb plastic free radical molecules directly through your skin. Thats scary.
Plastics molecules are very bad on body systems.They tend to raise cancer possibilites.
Hmmm..what was I supposed to do?
I am very interested in the mechanics of the liver and the breakdown of chemicals,BUUUT,I have not had time to research it.
As to Soy interests,ehhh...I havent had time to persue that again....I have two sites that had good info on that,,,addys are written somewhere...I'll have to find them.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 6:23 PM
DMSO definitely takes responsible use, and you're right about not storing with plastics, I have bought glass laboratory beakers and a laboratory mortar and pestle to use with it. I've also ordered from a company that sells it for medical use for pain relief (it helps fix damaged cells and reduce inflammation) rather than buying from an industrial supplier. It's also not used neat and the booby recipe I'm using is from an NBE book, other people on the BE board have also used DMSO. I'll also be washing before and after and only moisturising with borage / flax seed or EPO oils not commerical creams and will apply with a brush. I can sterilise everything with boiling water but this shouldn't be necessary - it needs to be food level hygienic not surgical sterile. I am also under a private gynaecologist and have already had full liver and thyroid testing which will be repeated probably 1-2x yearly so think I'm taking precautions. It's not supposed to build up in the body either and other people using it for pain relief are using it 70% strength daily for months on end. It's made from wood pulp as a byproduct in paper manufacture so is almost natural but let's face it the best thing for all our health would be to give this stuff up. I'm sensible enough to stop if it gives me any weird symptoms.
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Anon
(no login) Oooooh. November 1 2007, 2:32 AM
Definitively won't be using that!! I'll stick with SP, Fennugreek, Red Clover, Prog creme, and Milk Thistle.
Still no twinges or anything... but its early. I am committed to this. I want the growth so I can feel fulfilled.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Natural catalysts for skin absorption... November 7 2007, 7:51 PM
Hey Anony,I would look into using some natural herbal solvents,that I've been looking into such as Tea Tree oil or Eucalyptus oil.
I think that the tea tree is partly responsible for the effectiveness or penetrating power of the lavender in that series of events about boys getting gynomastia.
My friend said that it may be due to the volatility of the oils,that help permeate the skin and boost the strength of the herbs.
I am going to set up an experiment with it when I get time to prep. some breast creams exactly how I want them.
If you want to try it start out with the basic container of cream,like 2-3 oz's,and then powder the herbs in a coffee grinder,then start out with HALF a dropper full of Tea Tree oil added to the cream,and mix well.
**IF it burns Too much then it was perhaps too much oil added.
Its going to give you a little burning feeling,or maybe not,I dont know how you are going to react to it.
I'd say first put some TT oil on a cotton ball and rub it on your breast area and see what it does.It should only get warm and feel a bit o burning.
If it gets real red and burns for more than 20 min.,..then you may be more sensitive to it.
For me, it burns for quite awhile,but it doesnt bother me,I get used to it.
The smell is something else you will have to get used to,...just air yourself out for awhile until the surface oil scent disapates.
Hey,its great for using as a deoderant,just put some on a cotton ball and rub it under your entire underarm and it kills bacteria and you wont have any blecky odor for days....unless you are on fenugreek..HAHAHA...it sorta stops FG odor too.
As for eucalyptus oil,I havent gotten any to try,but its very,very similar to TT oil,so it should have most of the same actions...at least they looked the same when I compared them.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? November 8 2007, 2:52 AM
You are the chemist!! Love ya' for that! I don't know if I could do that... the wife doesn't know I am on an herb program! Right now I am taking a week breek on herbs and just using progesterone creme once daily. At the end of the week, I will just back on herbs... but I do have a 'strange' problem. One of the herbs, SP, FG, or RC was giving me heartburn and causing me to burp a lot. I do try to soften the capsules so the herbs are more in a solid than a pill. Is that a bad idea? My stomach was really aching. I can't go back to that same dosage.
I thought about Estrofem or one of those others... but I don't really know how to bring it up to the doctor.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 11 2007, 12:36 PM
Hiya,sorry I was gone for awhile...been busy.
I didnt mean for the TT to sound awful,its just a clean medicinal smell,but its strong....someone would just think that its some kind of sports linament or something.
But the prob is that even the TT doesnt completely mask the FG smell.
Well,hmmmmm.....Ive been trying to figure out what is going on with the gassyness going on that some of you have been talking about.
Its not the RC,...I betcha that its the Saw P. doing it.
I tasted the extract goo in the gels,and its sharp and acrid to some extent.
It is an appetite stimulant after all,it would promote stomach acid and such.
Lower your SP amount and see if thats it.
If thats not it then lower the FG,and see if that has an effect.
Fenugreek sometimes causes mucous levels to lower in certain body areas.
In the intestines it raises mucous levels.
If you have a reduced mucous amount in the stomach then you will get more acid irritation.
Thats the only way to isolate the cause,is to remove one at a time.
Try ginger tea,as it is good for settling the stomach.
Peppermint tea only stimulates acid in the stomach,so dont try that,unless you find out for sure that one herb is lowering your acid level or inhibiting the mucous amounts.
Do you mean that you soften and then compress them?
I dont see any problem with that.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 13 2007, 3:59 AM
I forgot to ask ...Anony....estrofem, is that a hormone drug? OR is that another herbal blend prep??
I forget what product is what anymore, I read about so many things.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? November 15 2007, 2:06 AM
yeah, Estrofem might be pseudo-hard core stuff. I was just "planning ahead" in case my program doesn't work over the next few months. I just wonder if bringing the topic up with the doctor would be beneficial. It would be a really weird topic to bring up for sure.
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Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 16 2007, 7:40 AM
I predict that your doc,will not be positively aligned with that idea.
Just a hypothesis. Usually anything NOT standard care protocol,is considered potential problem spot. Standard medicine doesnt like UNKNOWN territory.
Unless,you have some problems with estrogen boosting in that way,I dont see why you couldnt take it.
I will look that up....I had some info written about the drug group related to the Estrofem,but I cant find it....I have a drug book..duh...I'll just look in there.
I'll tell you what I find...as far as interactions and such.
~Davilee
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 18 2007, 3:41 AM
Well the drug book didnt have hardly any estrogen hormone drugs at all,and Estrofem wasnt in it.
I will check the drugs.com site.
October 30 2007 at 1:00 AM Anon (no login)
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Is it a good idea to make a boobie paste from the estrogen herbs (Red Clover or Fennugreek) and rub that on the breasts daily? Is that better than taking orally?
Author Reply
Louise
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 5:59 AM
Rubbing it in gives less that taking orally but what you do get doesn't go via the liver - I think most people are doing both oral and topical. The way to improve absorption of topicals seems to be DMSO but not many people have tried it and make sure you read my DMSO cautions post on the main page ifyou're thinking of trying it as it's serious stuff. Manual stimulation of the breasts seems to give growth and shape so massage seems to be a good thing even if you just use baby oil or body lotion.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 7:06 AM
You need to utilize the tinctures or extracts of those herbs,they would be better for absorption.
I keep coming across the opposite info. as Louise said as to topical apps.
I keep finding where it is more effective to apply the estrogenics topically as the breast tissues and fat tissues are intrinsically better suited for absorption of those things.
Perhaps I'm not reading all the proper research or studys.
For one,I read that Dr.Lee said it was better,as some studies proved it.
Hey,I wont say yea or nay definitely.I just go with what I feel is right in my intuition.
So,Anony....try them in those forms I said,...add them into a good coconut butter cream and try it....its all we can say.....ya gotta be a guinea piggy too sometimes. Please let us know how it goes.
I found a good simple Vit E cocoa butter cream at the Dollar general Store,its only 2.oo for 3-4 oz. I use it as a base for adding herb preps to.
They have a good cocoa butter hand cream in a huge bottle for only 1-2 dollars.
I would start with a certain amount of cream and add a certain amount of drops of the extracts or tintures and record that in notes,then use it for awhile and if you dont feel anything,then increase the doses of herb preps into the cream.Just keep records so you can repeat the successes.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
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mbe
(Login mbe1) Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 7:10 AM
I rub in a breast growth cream daily.
I either use a commercial product such as Perfect Woman or I use a homemade cream - fenugreek, saw palmeto and wild yam extract mixed with a commercial wild yam lotion or lavander lotion.
Massaging your breasts is also an important stimulation for breast growth.
______________
www.male-breast-enlargement.org | http://malebreastenlargement.blogspot.com/
Edit Message Delete Message
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Boobie paste? October 30 2007, 11:24 PM
Make sure you don't use DMSO with any commercial creams - it will absorb into your blood stream and internal organs! Only put in DMSO what you would be willing to eat and make sure you wash off with water after 30 mins (need to stay topless in the meantime). Remember that fats and proteins can't be absorbed through the skin e.g. collagen.
Davi-Lee,
What do you think about the need for the digestive process to activate phytoestrogens?
Have you got any further on fermented vs non-fermented soy?
Edit Message Delete Message
Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 2:33 AM
Hi Louise, what is the DSMO? I haven't heard of that term.
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Lost Sheep
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 5:40 AM
It's an industrial solvent. Have a look at this, that's where I ordered from:
http://www.dmso-use.com/dmso_bz_solution.html
It increases skin absorption by about 1000x (still only lets in small molecules) so that supposedly using topicals is equivalent to using internally. If you are going to try it make sure you reas the cautions post on the main forum because it is serious stuff. I'm using it to see if it has an effect on the growth by tissue breakdown and repair mechanism with te vacuum pumps.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 8:25 AM
Wow...that DMSO sound better all the time...HAHAHA....omgawd....
It sounds dreadful actually.....why would you want to use something like that inyour body....something thats called "Industrial solvent"...usually doesnt bring to my mind "health","wellbeing","nature"
It brings to mind toxicity and poisoning.
If it makes you that sensitive to everything then it cant be good for you.
You may wind up with an auto-immune disorder.You dont want that,at all.
I would be very careful using that stuff where plastics are involved,plastics breakdown constantly in the environment,you could absorb plastic free radical molecules directly through your skin. Thats scary.
Plastics molecules are very bad on body systems.They tend to raise cancer possibilites.
Hmmm..what was I supposed to do?
I am very interested in the mechanics of the liver and the breakdown of chemicals,BUUUT,I have not had time to research it.
As to Soy interests,ehhh...I havent had time to persue that again....I have two sites that had good info on that,,,addys are written somewhere...I'll have to find them.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
Edit Message Delete Message
Louise
(Login Louise1982)
SENIOR MEMBER Re: Boobie paste? October 31 2007, 6:23 PM
DMSO definitely takes responsible use, and you're right about not storing with plastics, I have bought glass laboratory beakers and a laboratory mortar and pestle to use with it. I've also ordered from a company that sells it for medical use for pain relief (it helps fix damaged cells and reduce inflammation) rather than buying from an industrial supplier. It's also not used neat and the booby recipe I'm using is from an NBE book, other people on the BE board have also used DMSO. I'll also be washing before and after and only moisturising with borage / flax seed or EPO oils not commerical creams and will apply with a brush. I can sterilise everything with boiling water but this shouldn't be necessary - it needs to be food level hygienic not surgical sterile. I am also under a private gynaecologist and have already had full liver and thyroid testing which will be repeated probably 1-2x yearly so think I'm taking precautions. It's not supposed to build up in the body either and other people using it for pain relief are using it 70% strength daily for months on end. It's made from wood pulp as a byproduct in paper manufacture so is almost natural but let's face it the best thing for all our health would be to give this stuff up. I'm sensible enough to stop if it gives me any weird symptoms.
Edit Message Delete Message
Anon
(no login) Oooooh. November 1 2007, 2:32 AM
Definitively won't be using that!! I'll stick with SP, Fennugreek, Red Clover, Prog creme, and Milk Thistle.
Still no twinges or anything... but its early. I am committed to this. I want the growth so I can feel fulfilled.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Natural catalysts for skin absorption... November 7 2007, 7:51 PM
Hey Anony,I would look into using some natural herbal solvents,that I've been looking into such as Tea Tree oil or Eucalyptus oil.
I think that the tea tree is partly responsible for the effectiveness or penetrating power of the lavender in that series of events about boys getting gynomastia.
My friend said that it may be due to the volatility of the oils,that help permeate the skin and boost the strength of the herbs.
I am going to set up an experiment with it when I get time to prep. some breast creams exactly how I want them.
If you want to try it start out with the basic container of cream,like 2-3 oz's,and then powder the herbs in a coffee grinder,then start out with HALF a dropper full of Tea Tree oil added to the cream,and mix well.
**IF it burns Too much then it was perhaps too much oil added.
Its going to give you a little burning feeling,or maybe not,I dont know how you are going to react to it.
I'd say first put some TT oil on a cotton ball and rub it on your breast area and see what it does.It should only get warm and feel a bit o burning.
If it gets real red and burns for more than 20 min.,..then you may be more sensitive to it.
For me, it burns for quite awhile,but it doesnt bother me,I get used to it.
The smell is something else you will have to get used to,...just air yourself out for awhile until the surface oil scent disapates.
Hey,its great for using as a deoderant,just put some on a cotton ball and rub it under your entire underarm and it kills bacteria and you wont have any blecky odor for days....unless you are on fenugreek..HAHAHA...it sorta stops FG odor too.
As for eucalyptus oil,I havent gotten any to try,but its very,very similar to TT oil,so it should have most of the same actions...at least they looked the same when I compared them.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
Edit Message Delete Message
Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? November 8 2007, 2:52 AM
You are the chemist!! Love ya' for that! I don't know if I could do that... the wife doesn't know I am on an herb program! Right now I am taking a week breek on herbs and just using progesterone creme once daily. At the end of the week, I will just back on herbs... but I do have a 'strange' problem. One of the herbs, SP, FG, or RC was giving me heartburn and causing me to burp a lot. I do try to soften the capsules so the herbs are more in a solid than a pill. Is that a bad idea? My stomach was really aching. I can't go back to that same dosage.
I thought about Estrofem or one of those others... but I don't really know how to bring it up to the doctor.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 11 2007, 12:36 PM
Hiya,sorry I was gone for awhile...been busy.
I didnt mean for the TT to sound awful,its just a clean medicinal smell,but its strong....someone would just think that its some kind of sports linament or something.
But the prob is that even the TT doesnt completely mask the FG smell.
Well,hmmmmm.....Ive been trying to figure out what is going on with the gassyness going on that some of you have been talking about.
Its not the RC,...I betcha that its the Saw P. doing it.
I tasted the extract goo in the gels,and its sharp and acrid to some extent.
It is an appetite stimulant after all,it would promote stomach acid and such.
Lower your SP amount and see if thats it.
If thats not it then lower the FG,and see if that has an effect.
Fenugreek sometimes causes mucous levels to lower in certain body areas.
In the intestines it raises mucous levels.
If you have a reduced mucous amount in the stomach then you will get more acid irritation.
Thats the only way to isolate the cause,is to remove one at a time.
Try ginger tea,as it is good for settling the stomach.
Peppermint tea only stimulates acid in the stomach,so dont try that,unless you find out for sure that one herb is lowering your acid level or inhibiting the mucous amounts.
Do you mean that you soften and then compress them?
I dont see any problem with that.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 13 2007, 3:59 AM
I forgot to ask ...Anony....estrofem, is that a hormone drug? OR is that another herbal blend prep??
I forget what product is what anymore, I read about so many things.
Questing for rounder and curvier.///////Many a quirk have I.
Edit Message Delete Message
Anon
(no login) Re: Boobie paste? November 15 2007, 2:06 AM
yeah, Estrofem might be pseudo-hard core stuff. I was just "planning ahead" in case my program doesn't work over the next few months. I just wonder if bringing the topic up with the doctor would be beneficial. It would be a really weird topic to bring up for sure.
Edit Message Delete Message
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 16 2007, 7:40 AM
I predict that your doc,will not be positively aligned with that idea.
Just a hypothesis. Usually anything NOT standard care protocol,is considered potential problem spot. Standard medicine doesnt like UNKNOWN territory.
Unless,you have some problems with estrogen boosting in that way,I dont see why you couldnt take it.
I will look that up....I had some info written about the drug group related to the Estrofem,but I cant find it....I have a drug book..duh...I'll just look in there.
I'll tell you what I find...as far as interactions and such.
~Davilee
Davilee
(Login Davata) Re: Boobie paste? November 18 2007, 3:41 AM
Well the drug book didnt have hardly any estrogen hormone drugs at all,and Estrofem wasnt in it.
I will check the drugs.com site.