Well here I am with boobs ?
Not sure quite what too make of them now ?
The sexual frission has gone and well just seem too think , um boobs, well there nice, do I carry on ?
Seems to be yes,
No doubt some on here went "yikes and stopped",
Any experiences when you first bloomed ?
Julie
"Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting?" I think that was a line from the original Star Trek. Spock was commenting on human nature.
For myself, it's like an urge to do it went away. I do sometimes wonder if I am happier this way, then usually decide it isn't about happier or not happier for me. It is something that just *is*. I don't see trying to change back. I don't see growing anymore. It's kind of off my plate as a to-do. My life moves on to other things, pretty much unrelated to this. One distraction removed, another added, etc.
(10-08-2011, 03:50 PM)sfem Wrote: [ -> ]"Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting?" I think that was a line from the original Star Trek. Spock was commenting on human nature.
For myself, it's like an urge to do it went away. I do sometimes wonder if I am happier this way, then usually decide it isn't about happier or not happier for me. It is something that just *is*. I don't see trying to change back. I don't see growing anymore. It's kind of off my plate as a to-do. My life moves on to other things, pretty much unrelated to this. One distraction removed, another added, etc.
i like your approach to life
(10-08-2011, 03:50 PM)sfem Wrote: [ -> ]"Having is not so pleasing a thing as wanting?" I think that was a line from the original Star Trek. Spock was commenting on human nature.
Very similar to the old saying, " It's better to travel than to arrive".
I understand what both Julie and sfem are saying, because I've had moments of doubt and even stopped for 4 weeks, a couple of months ago, partly to get my head around things...and decided to carry on.
However, just yesterday, I was wearing a soft slightly clingy jumper over the bra in my avatar and just caught sight of myself in a mirror as I passed and realised in amazement that that was me and those are real, not padding! It just feels ( and looks) right. There is no sexual component ( I don't think there ever has been for me), it is just me.
Pansy Mae
I totally see where you're coming from. While I've definitely fantasied about having a pair of my own I couldn't see myself actually growing them on purpose. Because even if you grow the perfect pair, they'll start to sag eventually and you'll still be stuck with them.
I was using PM for a month or so trying to get a little bit of feminine development. Didn't really think anything was happening until I was sitting in my computer chair topless one day and I glanced down and noticed I had boobs. While I was aroused at first I quickly panicked, stopped taking PM, and got back to exercising, lol. In retrospect I overreacted because I'd have to grow several times what I had before it'd be enough for people to really notice but It did get me to thinking about guys that have crossed that point of no return. I can understand the men who are married and their wives have approved. But to be a single man looking for a woman while having a C-cup...I wouldn't want to be him.
(11-08-2011, 08:34 AM)Vesperia Wrote: [ -> ]I totally see where you're coming from. While I've definitely fantasied about having a pair of my own I couldn't see myself actually growing them on purpose. Because even if you grow the perfect pair, they'll start to sag eventually and you'll still be stuck with them.
I was using PM for a month or so trying to get a little bit of feminine development. Didn't really think anything was happening until I was sitting in my computer chair topless one day and I glanced down and noticed I had boobs. While I was aroused at first I quickly panicked, stopped taking PM, and got back to exercising, lol. In retrospect I overreacted because I'd have to grow several times what I had before it'd be enough for people to really notice but It did get me to thinking about guys that have crossed that point of no return. I can understand the men who are married and their wives have approved. But to be a single man looking for a woman while having a C-cup...I wouldn't want to be him.
i understand your point of view, but depends... if you are a hunter shooting whatever breaths that's true, it might narrow your furred game availability (especially with a C-cup and above).
i'm a single too, but i already have set several constraints for a woman to be interesting to me (you know, getting old you get more choosy), i consider this a further one. i'm like i am, i don't bother to be easy-going about how i am, if you don't like me it means that you don't fit for me
Those, who have followed my posts, know how concerned I am, about people growing boobs, for the wrong reasons. The average cup size, for British women, is B and the same was true for American women, until the recent obesity epidemic. Forget C cups; a B cup gives you a female appearance. I am a good B and am constantly amazed at my chest which it is not something I could hide, without binding, and the thought of that brings tears to the eyes. Boobs are very delicate things; banging into something can be very painfull and going braless, for any lengh of time can be an uncomfortable experience.If you don't get the point, talk to any woman about going for a mammogram.
Wearing a bra, is not the most comfortabe of things, at this point in time, my shoulders are aching, from the straps, but, being braless, for any lengh of time, is worse; welcome to a woman's world!
Also, remember that, to get boobs, means ingesting huge amuonts of oestrogen and that does not just grow boobs. You will learn how chemicaly driven, most of the mental differences, between men and women are; I feel fem and find that the friends I relate to are female.
There will come a point, if you keep taking oesrtrogen, when yur body fat re-distributes. I now have a stomach, with more fat below, than above the navel and my skirts flare out over my hips. My legs are distincly female. in shape and the legs are a big giveaway, for most TVs.
I have just completed a programe, of cosmetic tattooing; which, for me, is an affirmation of my femaninity. May be, before embarking on growing boobs, you should consider, whether you could live full time, with fem eyebrows, eyeliner and lipstick; if not, take care.
(12-08-2011, 04:43 AM)chrissie Wrote: [ -> ]May be, before embarking on growing boobs, you should consider, whether you could live full time, with fem eyebrows, eyeliner and lipstick; if not, take care.
Ha! That is the easy bit (well - I find it easy). I spend most of my waking hours in skirts or dresses. I do food shopping that way, I go to work like that and when I occasionally require a more masculine appearance I wear ladies' jeans and a plain blouse and most people never notice. Since November 2010 I have worn truly male clothing for a total of maybe a week and I hated every second of it.
If you are determined to do this then perhaps you would be best taking a gradual approach to it. Start wearing light make-up and pluck your eyebrows a bit. Wear ladies' jeans and buy low-heeled ankle boots and start wearing them every day. Do your nails - I like a french manicure and have one on both my fingernails and my toenails. Keep your nails polished. If you find this stage uncomfortable then give up.
Start removing all body hair. Start growing your head hair. It grows at 1/2 inch per month so a year gets you 6" of length which is enough for a bobbed cut. Pluck the eyebrows finer and increase the makeup. Start wearing medium heels and tights (pantyhose for the yanks). Sandals are less tight on the toes than court shoes and, IME, one size below your male size is better.
Start wearing a necklace and earrings. If you do not have pierced ears then go and get them done. Start wearing perfume and body spray.
Anyway, you get the idea. Make gradual changes over weeks and months until you are comfortable with each change then move up a notch to a more obvious change.
There was some good advice I came across somewhere which was this. Before embarking on irreversible changes, pack female clothing ONLY and make up and go and book yourself in to a hotel somewhere you have never been to before and stay there for a week living
en femme. At the end of a week you will know if you can do it for life.
Spend time on YouTube learning about how to practice a female voice and intonation. Nothing gives you away faster than a male voice when dressed as a woman. I am still not perfect but I am good enough that I can have short conversations and not have people twig that I am not genetically female. I even had one woman ask me to help her with something and she never caught on because it was not the sort of thing she would have asked a man or an obvious TV to help with. I am nearly 6 feet tall in heels, a UK size 14 (US size 10) and am still fairly flat chested, yet my self-confidence, my jewellery, my dress, my hairlessness and my voice conveyed an air of femaleness / feminity that she never questioned.
Fill in 70% of the image and people's minds will fill in the last 30% for you, but it takes time, effort and a huge amount of self-belief. Chrissie will confirm that even I have bad days. I had one a couple of months ago that left me crying like a baby and I blubbed into Chrissie's mailbox. After about 3 days of feeling sorry for myself I picked myself up and said "F*** it - I am not going to let people upset me like that." and I put it behind me. Being ridiculed is hard. Not being yourself is far, far harder.
Sorry for the length of this rant, but I hope someone finds useful stuff in there.
Love to everyone
Beverley.
It strikes me that there are a couple of us ( Chrissie and Beverley) who are fully intent on going "all the way" and equally, a couple more ( myself and sfem) who have no intention of doing that. Then there is Julie who is uncertain of her goals but seems to be more in the "halfway only" camp, at least for the moment, plus a couple of others who I am unsure what they are doing.
Whilst understanding and agreeing with Chrissie about being certain of what you are doing before going too far, there are plenty of GG's who wouldn't dream of going as far as tattoo'd makeup or even plucking eyebrows, so that is by no means an inevitable result of taking hormones in whatever form, and you always have the option to stop at whatever point you choose ( you can't then go backwards but you don't HAVE to go forwards).
Similarly, I have not noticed the slightest change to my underlying personality, nor unfortunately so far, any increased size/shape anywhere in the lower half of my body ( I'm still waiting in hope for that to actually happen!).
Chrissie is obviously deliriously happy with the way that is all happening for her, and I'm really pleased she is, but it isn't inevitable for everyone and doesn't happen overnight.
As for Beverley's ideas, I again fully understand and agree and I have gone a long way down that same road myself, but much as I would like to be able to simply get up and put on skirt and heels and go to the shops if I felt like it, I have no illusions about my ability to 'pass' these days. Once upon a time I could, and did, go anywhere 'dressed', but I have seen and known too many older TG's who just looked like old queens and you could see people sniggering behind their backs ( which is even worse than an outright negative comment), and I determined that I would never allow myself to be in that category.
So now I am comfortable with who and what I am, with growing boobs, with earrings, painted nails and lightly plucked eyebrows, with a depilated body, and whilst I wish I didn't have an ageing male face and hardly any hair I can't do anything about those, so as long as my wife is also happy, then I don't care about anyone else.
I intend to die as a male. OK, I only wore a man's, jacket, shirt and shoes once in five years: at my eldest daughter's prom. I want to present as my children's father on occasions where that's who I am. If they have children, I will be happy to be their grandfather.
I certainly do not want SRS. I have linked the main reason here:
http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=9076&pid=31822#pid31822
Life for post ops is short, and ends in the most horrible ways. It may look like only one study, but all previous attempts at similar studies have failed to even find the post ops back.
I see SRS as the ultimate eunuch fantasy. In practice, it is self mutilation.
Passing is also a fantasy. When I stopped wearing make up, heels, nail polish and self tanner, everybody started calling me madam.
Wanting a feminine figure is not a fantasy. It is a healthy expression of sexual desire. Maybe misplaced, but still healthy. Over time, people have learned to accept masturbation as a healthy sexual practice too.
Two years from now, my views may be different. I know very few people in the wider TG community who have kept the same goals for years.