Hi,
I have made a New Year's resolution to start the process of NBE. I am a 23 year old male that is 5' 5" and weigh ~ 120 pounds. With my small frame, it would seem that any breast enlargement will be quite noticeable. Am I correct? I am pretty much flat as we speak. After reading the forums for a few months, I have decided to start with the following program:
Fenugreek: 2x610mg - 3 times per day
Saw Palmetto: 1x585mg - 3 times per day
Massages - 2 or 3 massages for a few minutes each
I have also seen creams such as phytoestrogen and progest. Will either of these creams help with NBE? I see that the phytoestrogen cream contains red clover and black cohosh.
http://www.emerita.com/products/perimeno...gen-cream/
Also, how will I know that this program is actually working? What will be the first effects I should experience? How will I know if I need to up dosages? Should I wait a few weeks, or months. Thanks.
Hi Christin,
I do envy you, your build sounds perfect.
You give no clue, as to your motivations, which, I have concluded, can and should, impact on your choice of herb, although there may be a clue, in your choice of saw palmeto. You are roght in seeking to add progesterone, in some form. I have used wild yam.
There are a number of phytoestrogens and two seem to come out as top of the pack; PM and Fenugreek. I have tried both and found PM way more effective. Also, on fenugreek, I had an uncomfortable gut [same with saw palmeto]. A number of users have also found they get strange body odours, from fenugreek.
The biggest difference, between the two, seems to be that PM has substantial femanising effects, over and above promoting breast growth; of the type you might expect from prescribed hormones. The first is a marked change of mood; you become calmer, less aggressive, more empatheic to people; an altogether nicer person. Your body odour changes, gone are all those horrible male odours. The shape of your legs will change, the hollow alogside the shin bone fills out and tou get more fat on your thighs, which assume a more femanine shape. Your bum gets bigger and you begin to lay fat down on your hips. Obviously, with changes like this, male sex function is affected. For a transsexual, this is the way to go; if not, or you are not sure, fenugrrek may be a safer option.
If you have been swayed by reports of PM not working, it usualy turns out to be the preperation, rather than PM; some contain as little as 25% PM. 100% pure is essential.
To your question, about the appearance of boobs on a smaller frame, you have 2 great advantages. Small boobs can look great on a small frame and just small on a bigger one and you will quickly look like you have boobs, rather than moobs. Have a look too, at my post on Bras. If you use a guide intended for a genetic woman, you will end up with bras way too big and, when you remenber that a 34C, in terms of the volume, of the cup, equals a 38A, you can see that, is a very dispiriting thing to happen.
Finally, what can you expect?
1] a fatiness to your chest; I used to joke to myself that I had been upholstered.
2]Nipples becoming permanently erect and beggining to point to the side, rather than straight ahead.
3] Tenderness behind the nipples, assoociated with a lump [knot] behind and a puffiness of the aerolea. A this point, you are on your way.
4] As your boobs grow, you become very aware a certain pressure, as they press against clothing.
Above all be patient; you will need to give things at least 2 years.
I guess I should have explained myself a bit more in my original post. I am not looking to transition. Therefore, I would like to stay clear of PM due to the many feminizing effects on the body. Thank you for the insight. I looked on the forums for progesterone, but I haven't seen too many posts. How does progesterone help in NBE?
It is a hormone that appears for part of the cycle and is linked to pregnancy and lactation and has a big effect on breast growth. Tour massage creams are on the right track.
I have done a few searches for progesterone and it seems like people are using it on a schedule. I know for biological women they use it for 3 weeks and then take a week off during their period. Any recommendations for the schedule a male should follow?
Hi Christin,
In the Flat2Fem program, she recommends using Progesterone for 7 days every 4th week. Hope this helps and best wishes on your journey.
Hugs,
Lisa
(02-01-2011, 05:07 AM)christin14 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi,
I have made a New Year's resolution to start the process of NBE.
I am doing something similar. I am older and heavier but I am lucky to have a supportive wife and chldren who tolerate my crossdressing and I have some manboobs (an AA cup) so I just have some to fill the chest of my dresses.
(02-01-2011, 05:07 AM)christin14 Wrote: [ -> ]I have decided to start with the following program:
Fenugreek: 2x610mg - 3 times per day
Saw Palmetto: 1x585mg - 3 times per day
Massages - 2 or 3 massages for a few minutes each
That's very similar to what I m using except I also take Red Clover Blossoms. I've only been on this for less than a month so there's nothing to report yet...
Beverley
I started in September last year using the Flat2Fem programme but with WY massage rather than FG because of the infamous smell problem!
There was definitely some filling out ( fat deposition) in the first 6 weeks but because I then needed to get more supplies in anyway, I switched to PM instead of FG. I also dropped the Progesterone massage because I was a bit concerned about the 1/2 tsp a time levels and the possible overdose effects that have been reported at higher levels.
For the next 4 weeks ( i.e the first 4 weeks on PM), there was a slow but steady increase in fat deposition mainly on the inner side of the breasts area, which has the effect of making the nipples appear to start to point outwards. This seems to be a fairly common effect.
In mid December I stopped taking anything, the reason being that we went to Costa Rica for 2 weeks over Christmas ( Yes, and we missed all the snow!!) and I was concerned about the possibilities of having to explain various unidentifiable capsules at customs in the event of a search - Central America being known for 'substances'! Much to my surprise during the last few days of the holiday I suddenly started getting pains, particularly around my left nipple and running outwards from it, the right one was much less noticeable. Now, this was after 10 days or so of no herbs at all, and it seems to suggest that I had built up a fairly hefty phyto-hormone level in my body which took a long time to dissipate and building on what had gone before, actually tided me over the gap to allow proper budding to start. This was some 3-4 months in from the start of my programme, which is what Chrissiegirl found as well.
Needless to say, as soon as I got back, I grabbed the pill bottles and whacked the PM up to 3000mg per day just to be sure, plus my normal SP. For the first couple of days back, the pain in my left boob increased quite significantly ( felt great! LOL) and growth was quite noticeable with tightness and heat build up particularly at night, then almost as suddenly as it started, it eased off and now is just a sensitivity to pressure around the nipple ( which has certainly grown slightly). The right boob feels about the same, sensitive to nipple pressure but it never had the painful period.
I dropped the WY massage for two reasons ( a) the alcoholic tincture extract was playing havoc with my nails by drying them out so they split, and (b) wrecking my nail varnish! Instead I have added the Progesterone cream back in to my routine, but differently. Rather than the Flat2Fem '1/2 tsp twice a day for 7 days', routine, I now apply 1/8 tsp twice a day for 24 days, as recommended by the manufacturer of the cream for women past the menopause. The logic for this is that if you look at the graph below you'll see that Progesterone peaks slightly after the main Oestrogen peak. but is there as a constant drip at a low level all the time. I'm debating whether to increase the level slightly for a couple of days in the middle of the month to mimic the graph to some extent. However if I do that then I ought to do the same thing with the PM rather than take it at a constant level all the time.( My current thought is to experiment with say 2 or 3 PM per day for 3 weeks and 6 PM per day for one week a month).
I wonder if the 'stalling' which many people have referred to, plus a need to go up to big doses to get going again, is in fact the body's attempt to get the levels back to fluctuating in the way it was designed by nature to cope with. My growth starting with no current input would tend to suggest that possibly my body stored what it could for when it was needed.
Anyway, something is certainly working for me - since I first started NBE I've had a 34A bra which I didn't really fill properly, but when I put it on this morning I realised that suddenly I was bulging above the top of the cups, and I've also noticed that a lot of the growth has occurred to the outside of my nipples so that they are pointing forward again, I'm pleased to say. A bigger bra is on the shopping list!
Pansy Mae
Great work Pansey Mae I am so happy for you.