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I need to get this off my chest for real. I don't want to mess up my main thread with all the ramblings about transition and my place socially both online and in real life. So I rather start a new thread for getting all this pain out in some more constructive way that doesn't divert my main thread too much. I kinda wish to keep it as positive as I can anyway.

I've been on HRT for bit over twenty seven months, tranisioning for about three years or so as I started transition socially way before jumping to HRT train. This time has been kinda odd mixed bag of happy changes and disappointment and pain. I have become quite cynical and disillusined about the kind of transition that was sold to me. Mine is nothing like it. Its not awesome, its not fun a lot of the times, its slow painful grind and it takes much more work than I ever thought it would. Both external and internal.

Cynical because I've learned even better than ever before how shitty assholes most people are. Cis people in particular, but trans people are not much better either. I was already quite misanthropic and held no high regard for most people and the majority have proven how useless waste of breathe they are. A lot of those who I considered my friends have shown to be shallow intolerant assholes who do not put in an ounce of effort to learn what transition means and what makes us tick. I stopped to matter to them, these people have one by one faded away from my life, mostly without any drama, some showing their true colours the very moment I came out as a trans woman to them. I already knew I'm a person for one out of ten rather than some popular "people person", but nothing else has brought it up as clearly as my transition has. I believe this tells more of others rather than myself because I haven't changed personalitites, just stopped suppressing some sides of who I really am. Without my fiancé, my girlfriend and few close (mostly online) friends I would be very lonely. I don't mind I guess, I rather have one good friend instead of twenty assholes to whom I become a persona non grata the moment I stop faking a man.

Disillusioned because transition is hard work, its exhausting and brings out previous mental health problems in a whole new light and dealing with this is painful. There's no fucking glory in this. Its not amazing new life with everything magically becoming better, its slow unthankful grind of difficulties and being tired, having to fight for every bit of change and most of that I've done on my own. Luckily I've had several amazing people on my way to help me out by leaps, some of whom participate here on BN. Hug I couldn't have made it this far without these angels that have shown up on my path.  Heart But the kind of magical awesome transition that was sold to me was a lie. Its all bullshit to not scare off eggs from starting out. I didn't get amazing new social circle, a social life of a normal woman, no, none of that. I haven't got the body of my dreams, but I'm well on the way to it. Life suddenly didn't become better and awesome, while my body has become absolutely lovely, I have lost on social life a lot. I used to have pretty privilege, a male version of that. I didn't even realise what happened until I lost it.

I have gone from conventionally attractive, sexy and handsome guy into a "mediocre" woman. I've been called average, "nice", cute, all this bullshit that is told to uglyor very average women.... I was never just "ok, nice, average, decent" as a guy, I was always called handsome, beautiful, hot, attractive and so on. Superlative praise for my looks has stopped. I guess as a woman I'm just ugly, I'm too big and bluky, too fat, too androgynous and what else? I can't see myself for how I really am, I need external input for that thanks to body dysmorphia.

Speaking of not feeling woman enough. I'm almost certain now that I'm done with Nexus forum. I don't feel welcome, my thread is being largely ignored... All while I feel less than others over there. I'm big, fat, ugly piece of crap next to them. I feel much more welcome here where I'm being noticed and liked and people come to actually talk with me. Here I don't feel like I'm just alone screaming into the void. Its somehow ironic, I thought ladies side of the forum would take me in as one of their own? Instead mostly all I got is silence... Funny how our side of the forum is so much more active and feels much more friendly and open minded. I'll take it, I guess this is my NBE haven online after all? Despite me feeling a bit alien as I'm definitely not a guy who wants boobs, but a woman with a birth defect. Anyway I feel much more at home here. At least I'm not ignored and pushed aside here. And maybe in here I'm woman enough despite not being some fucking perfect tiny pixie doll girl born with a silver spoon in her mouth? At least in here we don't have the problems of trans scene online, it seems that other trans ladies here are super nice and not the worst shallow pieces of shit like I've seen all over the internet in other places. I guess you can sense my resentment of the trans scene in general? As I mentioned earlier, to me its always a one out of ten kind of case, same applies to trans women too. A lot of them are kind of people I rather steer clear from, not much to relate to and when only common thing is transition, its not much to grab onto.

So where do I belong? I have never fit in to much anything. The only bunch who took me in was metal scene and that was because of my musical skills rather than personality... Other was artists, obviously because I share the passion for art. But that's about it. I don't fit into most trans communities, I'm not so much into activism, Pride stuff and so on as I feel more kin to intersex and cis women. But I don't fit in with cis women either. Some times they trigger my dysphoria too much and more often than not, they still keep on "othering" me and making sure I know I'm lesser and put me to "my place" somehow. Its disgusting and it pisses me off! Even best of allies seem to often fall into this... Truly accepting women are very few and most are transgender and or intersex who truly relate to me and accept me with mutual understanding.

By some weird twist of fate, our little community here on BN feels like one of the most accepting bunch I know of. Interesting knowing how diverse we are. Its a bit sad, how to find my place? I want to be seen and treated as just a normal woman, nothing more, nothing less. I don't want to be othered and made to seem like some weird third gender which I'm not. I just come with a crazy birth defect requiring a fix and quite unique life experience... Why should I be any more different than that?

Also I want to be and feel beautiful. Like not "nice, cute" kind but actually beautiful. Along with social acceptance and nuking my dysphoria to hell, becoming beautiful is one of those dreams the suppressed shy little girl had... Dreams that almost died but there appears to still be glimmer of hope for her. She slept far too long. But her cage has been broken already and nothing will hold her back. Hug Heart Blush
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You are being way to hard on yourself and overly critical. I believe this all comes from advertising and women have been brain washed into believing they should look a certain way. you are no different than most women because of advertising they think they are too short tall skinny fat, etc etc.. You have come such a long way I have watched your amazing changes- beautiful body any cis woman would die for. I have seen the changes in your face from masculine to famine. there is no denying you are a women whether you believe it or not. You say you feel less than pretty so I have to ask what female do you think is beautiful. There are very few cis females who don't wear  makeup to enhance how they look (been doing it for thousands of years). Anyone who won't accept you for who you are isn't worth knowing  Again what you see yourself as we here do not and you will always get the support you need, I hope your SO gives you the support and encouragement to change how you see yourself and over come your negative image you have.  I have seen crossdresser makeovers and the results are amazing. As a female naybe a professional make over would help you see how beautiful you realy are.  Heart Heart Heart Heart
Yes I am, I'm very much a perfectionist on myself. For others, I'm forgiving, but for myself its the opposite. I blame my personality and upbringing for this, and past excperience. I've been told many times to be more merciful and I really try. Then on the other hand, the positive of this is that I really push myself with things I have passion for, such as my transition and body changes.

Obviously I'm not free of what the idiotic beauty standards and expectations do, I'm a victim of all that just like everybody else. Its quite sad, but then again, a lot of how people behave and treat each other are based on their external expectations. Pretty privilege is very real thing and to say otherwise would be a lie.

You're right about body changes, face and everything, that's something I'm grateful for as this is where I truly shine. I've been experiencing body changes way beyond my wildest dreams especially considering my age and the pace of the change. Twenty seven months is nothing but a start on the big scheme of what HRT does. For this I'm happy, satisfied, absolutely not. Its a good start, but I have a long way to go. I'm passionate and a bit ambitious on this. Also I want to prove that age is not a hindrance to a graceful transition, I never believed it and I want to show the world it can be done, that age only slows us down and means more testosterone damage to deal with, but the myth of transition being not possible to be done in a pretty way after twenty, or twenty five or thirty, is nothing but a very dangerous myth.

My partners have been awesome helping me on the way. But their words are different, they say things also out of love and love wears rose tinted glasses. They can't be it all what comes to external validation I'm seeking. But I couldn't live without them, neither without my friends who are few but very dear to me. ^_^

Btw, not wearing makeup is partially a conscious choice for now. I've been too busy to learn all that and its been very dysphoria inducing to try in past. At one time I thought that if I can't cis pass without makeup, then what's the point if its all just a mask I wear, painted on? Well now I'm stealth to strangers and none of them have any idea about my background so I guess that's one mission accomplished? I know makeup being magic when done right. I'm planning to start learning it once I have time for it, energy... There's so much, I can't learn everything in just few years, I'm not good enough for that so for now its all been about just fixing my body first.

Posting this kind of threads makes me feel instant regret every time. I don't know exactly why, ADHD mind being weird or am I scared that my words would be twisted and used to bully me. It happens every time, I just really need a thread here for venting about all the frustrations about transitioning... There's so much that bothers me, I guess its better to be said out loud somehow. I don't know if this will help with feeling like an outsider no matter where I go, no matter what I do, but at least its said. Blush
What strikes me is this need for external validation. Why exactly?
Why should you (or anyone) be so dependent on what someone else thinks of them? Why is a person's self-worth so dependent on that?
Not saying this isn't affecting many people (even myself), but as a philosophy, does it make sense?


The other thing that surprises me is how much anger you seem to have. Is there someone supportive you can talk to about that? I'm worried this might be a form of self-hate (not really self-hate since you identify as a woman, but maybe some remainder of your male identity that you have not yet let go? I don;t know how this stuff works - is this why you might feel like an outsider in Nexus?), that might not be healthy in the long run. This is from your post in May this year:

Quote:Men disgust me. They're fun to have sex with, but there's a lot of stuff about men that is just plain disgusting. And sex with guys is fun but its one dimensional and boring after a while. Also most men hate me, ghost me, reject me the moment I spill the beans about being trans. I do not stealth date men as that would be scary af. I was also assaulted and kinda "soft" raped year and half ago. Imagine how that made me feel about men? What happened to my cynicism and interest to have anything to do with the pigs.

I don't support misogyny (the hate for women).
I don't support misandry (the hate for men - we are not "pigs", and the social war on men must stop).

Is there a word for hate towards trans? If there is one, then I also don't support that behaviour. I was shocked to read yesterday that the UK band Eternal is not going to reband because some of the band members are transphobic and how much hate there is there.

Wishing you peace in your quest to work this out. Heart
(26-09-2023, 12:34 PM)prostatenipple Wrote: [ -> ]What strikes me is this need for external validation. Why exactly?
Why should you (or anyone) be so dependent on what someone else thinks of them? Why is a person's self-worth so dependent on that?
Not saying this isn't affecting many people (even myself), but as a philosophy, does it make sense?


The other thing that surprises me is how much anger you seem to have. Is there someone supportive you can talk to about that? I'm worried this might be a form of self-hate (not really self-hate since you identify as a woman, but maybe some remainder of your male identity that you have not yet let go? I don;t know how this stuff works - is this why you might feel like an outsider in Nexus?), that might not be healthy in the long run. This is from your post in May this year:

Quote:Men disgust me. They're fun to have sex with, but there's a lot of stuff about men that is just plain disgusting. And sex with guys is fun but its one dimensional and boring after a while. Also most men hate me, ghost me, reject me the moment I spill the beans about being trans. I do not stealth date men as that would be scary af. I was also assaulted and kinda "soft" raped year and half ago. Imagine how that made me feel about men? What happened to my cynicism and interest to have anything to do with the pigs.

I don't support misogyny (the hate for women).
I don't support misandry (the hate for men - we are not "pigs", and the social war on men must stop).

Is there a word for hate towards trans? If there is one, then I also don't support that behaviour. I was shocked to read yesterday that the UK band Eternal is not going to reband because some of the band members are transphobic and how much hate there is there.

Wishing you peace in your quest to work this out. Heart
Simple, body dysmorphia, the inability to see myself how I really am. I some times think I see, but then it changes, some times within the same day... I literally cannot always see myself for how I really look like. Its an actual disorder, look it up. I have plenty of reasons why I have this problem. Past trauma and being bullied and shamed for my body has played a major part in it. And no, it can't be wished away.

Yes, much anger for sure and I have good reasons to be angry. Including my past because I was forced (by lack of information) into wasting half of a lifetime trying to fake being something I'm not.

I'm cynical about men. Most of pain I have had to endure have been their doing. Boys and men. Being bullied, it was +90% boys all the time. The sexual assault two years ago was obviously done by one. Bullying at work, again, men. I say this how I feel, I refuse to sugarcoat it. Some guys are awesome, many are insignificant and some are downright animals, abusers and bullies. But not all men. Not all. Just enough to make me not trust most guys until they show to be worth the trust. I've been mistreated enough. Sad

That word would be transphobia.
I didn't post this thread to pick apart my cynicism or any of my negative sides. I don't want to talk about guys who have mistreated me, I want to get over that as its mostly in past. Especially I don't want to dig into things I've said on bad days weeks or months ago. I made this thread so I can vent about transition related difficulties so my main thread wont be clogged with all the stuff that's somehow irrelevant to its main topic.

Then again, that cynicism about past has a lot to do with my feeling of being an outsider. I never fit in with guys at all, except for the bunch who share my creative passions. Years of being relentlessly bullied by a bunch of boys didn't help this either. I was a social outcast a lot of those times. Then later fit in to some extent and now after starting transition, I feel more alienated from everything than its ever been before. So its kinda on the sidelines anyway.

When I say I hate something, I usually mean that I hate in the moment... Having a bad day and feeling absolutely furious with something. Its not like I active keep on hating what ever because that would be massive waste of life and that rots the heart. I'm not like that. Maybe its language that does it, a lot of my English is me thinking in Finnish and translating as I go so some times the expression isn't quite there. And I have tendency to be outspoken and act before I think. Thank the weird brain wiring for that. Then some times I wonder, would I be better off being less open and just not talk? Some times writing stuff down on a forum is a great way to release it all to the void.
I kind of agree with prostatenipple, external validation can be good of course but i often feel like you have an excessive need for it. I am worried because it is not really healthy mindset. But i sometimes do the same, so i don't want to be too much of an hypocrite.

I think when the healthcare system wants you on therapy is because they want to rule out or solve other issues before fully going with them. As you said: "transition brings out previous mental health problems in a whole new light and dealing with this is painful" , so yeah there are some old things it is better to solve as these will keep haunting you even after your transition is "finished". I am afraid even after transition, you won't be happy because you are still carrying these mental weights.

As you suggested i looked up Body Dysmorphia Disorder and looks like there are ways to help with it, either therapy with a doctor and/or antidepressants. Expecting random people to fill up your inbox with compliments seems unrealistic and not very helpful. 

Lara... your quote from May is quite bad...  i understand you were angry and trying to vent, but it doesn't change the fact it was very sexist and you publicly posted it online. Imagine if you said "women disgust me, they are only good for sex".
Even on the first post when you said:

Quote:"But the kind of magical awesome transition that was sold to me was a lie. Its all bullshit to not scare off eggs from starting out."

Imagine any trans person reading that... coming from a trans woman, seems like gatekeeping and transphobia a little.

I don't judge anyone for having their opinion or hating someone or something else, however remember here you have many more supporters than you think... and calling some of them pigs or disgusting is not very grateful or respectful. Your anger inside can be disruptive towards yourself and your close ones, i suggest working on that if you get on therapy.
I shouldn't have posted this thread and I should never say things at all... Not when I'm pissed off about something, because being too open and honest with how I feel always comes to bite me in the ass.

I'm a horribly bad person saying horrible things and people pick me apart and make me look even worse when ever I open up about something. The difference is that I kept so much inside for ages and I'm tired of it. I should never vent to anybody, it always makes me look bad. I speak out before I think. I'm naive, childish and nasty piece of work when I'm hitting rock bottom with something.

I think this thread is ripe for deletion, its not doing what I intended it for if people just dig up all the bad things I've said, take it out of context and make me look bad for it. Yea, I can say shitty things on bad days, I'm imperfect for internet.  I had regret already at the moment I posted the original post... Which btw had nothing to do with any bad things I have said on crappy days, I didn't want this until it was dug up and rubbed on my face. People will keep on digging into this and it will only hurt me. I don't want to discuss this any more. Crying
Btw, the ones I called pigs are the ones who have hurt me, bully me, sexually assault me. None of them are on this forum.

Eve, please delete this thread, its not doing what I posted it for but this will be used to hurt me and make me look worse. I don't want to dig into this, I'm already vulnerable enough. Sad
(27-09-2023, 11:19 AM)HelloDiDi Wrote: [ -> ]Eve, please delete this thread, its not doing what I posted it for but this will be used to hurt me and make me look worse. I don't want to dig into this, I'm already vulnerable enough. Sad

I hope you didn't misunderstand my message, i meant there is some hope with treating body dysmorphia so you don't have to rely on people's opinions and feedbacks anymore. It is clear that you suffer a lot from your self image, and seeing you fluctuate in such state is worrying for all of us who look upon you.

Apart from the two sentences about men being disgusting and the bullshit for eggs you didn't say anything wrong. It is 2 mistakes you have recognized and moved on from them, the important is learning from our mistakes and trying our best not to repeat them.

You shouldn't delete the thread, you created a safe space for venting and opening yourself up, it's a good thing many people should do more often. In this forum we support and encourage you and we would be sad to see you not writing more.
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