Breast Growth For Genetic Males

Recently I have noticed my breasts have been getting sensitive and my nipples get hard easy. I’ve been itchy in my chest area.

Here is my hbe plan

Morning I take

Pm 1000mg

RR 1000mg

WP 400mg

Pygeum 100mg

SP 1000mg

Noon

Pm1000

WP 400mg

Pygeum 100mg

(Fenugreek400mg

milk thistle 300mg

Fennel seed 100mg) -all in one capsule

Night

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(Fenugreek400mg

milk thistle 300mg

Fennel seed 100mg) -all in one capsule

2000mg msm

Primrose 1250 mg

WP 400mg

Pygeum 100mg

Any help with this routine would be helpful thanks.

(08-10-2021, 02:48 PM)MaleSise Wrote: [ -> ]I would throw out FG, because I see you're taking PM too. Taking FG and PM at the same time can have a counter-effect, ie they cancel the result.

What is the logic behind this? FG promotes prolactin, PM is estrogenic, so they should work together positively.

(08-10-2021, 02:48 PM)MaleSise Wrote: [ -> ]I would throw out FG, because I see you're taking PM too. Taking FG and PM at the same time can have a counter-effect, ie they cancel the result.
I am currently taking 2x500 mg PM + 500 mg Red Reishi + 500 mg Ca daily. After a month I gained 7mm more chest volume.
In my case, the rule is, less is more. Of course, everyone reacts differently to certain doses. I started with the lowest dose for the first week (500 mg PM), then continued with 1000 mg PM per day. For now, I don’t intend to raise the dose because I have growth. If he is absent, then I will increase the dose.

(04-05-2021, 07:51 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Joey,

I don't think you should coalesce E2 and FG, meaning they both are competing for the same estrogen receptor. Here's some notes I made some years ago about how FG stimulates E2 (estradiol). Plus, one glaring no-no for me is that FG can lower SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) via in favor of T. SHBG transports hormones in the blood to various tissue receptors. SHBG is like a ying/yang scenario. Meaning (for example) when estradiol is high SHBG will be high (verified by a blood test, and thus T will be low). E2 will keep SHBG high, favoring breast growth.

IMHO, choose one or the other, and stick with it. Though don't forget the PC.

(28-04-2016, 04:39 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]I posted this last year, take a look at the diagram in table 2, in specifically the increase in dhea, progesterone, FSH (follicle stimulating hormone...a pure aromatase imo) testosterone and prolactin, respectively. From the study I believe the bump in libido comes from DHEA (similar to maca), however, the way FG increases E2 (dramatically in month 2) comes from its aromatase capabilities (from multiple pathways I believe), but mostly from FSH.

(26-08-2015, 09:41 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]Influence of a Specialized Trigonella foenum- graecum Seed Extract (Libifem), on Testosterone, Estradiol and Sexual Function in Healthy Menstruating Women, a Randomised Placebo Controlled Study
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The aim of the study was to evaluate the effect of Trigonellafoenum-graecum (fenugreek) seed extract on sex hormones and sexual function in healthy menstruating women who reported low sexual drive. This short term, single site, double blind, randomised, placebo-controlled study was conducted on 80 women, aged 20 to 49 years. Participants were randomised to either an oral dose of a standardised T. foenum-graecum seed extract (libifem) at a dose of 600 mg/day or placebo over two menstrual cycles. Dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, progesterone, androstenedione, total and free testosterone, estradiol (E2), luteinizing hormone, follicle stimulating hormone, sex hormone binding globulin and cholesterol were measured at baseline and 8 weeks. The individual aspects of sexual function were measured using the Derogatis interview for sexual functioning and female sexual function index self-administered questionnaires. Stress, fatigue and quality of the relationship with partners were also measured using the PSS (Perceived Stress Scale), MFI-20 (Multidimensional Fatigue Inventory) and DAS (Dyadic Adjustment Scale) quality of life measures, respectively. There was a significant increase in free testosterone and E2 in the active group as well as sexual desire and arousal compared with the placebo group. The results indicate that this extract of T. foenum-graecum may be a useful treatment for increasing sexual arousal and desire in women. Copyright © 2015 John Wiley & Sons, Ltd.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lui...-Study.pdf

(27-08-2015, 12:17 AM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]Well yeah, but judging from this study FG pretty much upregulates everything, see here: 

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Administration of T. foenum-graecum seed extract was also associated with a significant increase in E2 levels. Estradiol stimulates vaginal lubrication and blood flow, affecting a woman’s capacity for sexual arousal and orgasm (Simon, 2011); this supports the significant positive change in sexual arousal observed. Whilst the mechanism of the increase in E2 levels is unclear from the current study, one possibility is due to increased aromatase activity that converts testosterone to E2.

my interpretation of how FG increases E2 is explained above.