(04-11-2021, 08:01 AM)HelloDiDi Wrote: [ -> ] (04-11-2021, 05:16 AM)Jamie-May Wrote: [ -> ]Aww, that sounds really lovely with the mom gender thing. But yeah it stinks when you have to stop taking something that seems like it otherwise is helping. It was hard that I had to stop PG but I've decided to give PG one more go with 100mg version instead of 200mg and see if I get the same negatives or not. I agree that mental stability and health matter more so always be careful with that stuff and do what's best for you. Though I doubt you need to be told that.
Yea, it was a total surprise. Its even more special as we don't have gendered pronouns our language so correct gendering is always intentional and shows up differently.
Seems that DHEA just doesn't work for me. Kinda sucks as I'm always on the lookout for things that can help, right now I have no clue what else I could do. Then again, HRT + the few supplements are working really well so I might not need anything else. Being consistent with pumping + massage and doing more exercise is a thing though that I know will help me tremendously. I've been a bit lazy with noogle due to my friend being visiting but she's going home today... At least every other day should be good enough. But then again, when I did it daily for a while some time ago, I got really fantastic growth from it.
I'm speculating that the pumping really enhances the hormonal stuff, better blood circulation and physical stimulation... Also I have a theory on this, pumping does small scale cell level damage, when ever there's some kind of damage, there's healing going on, that raises HGH and IGF-1 locally, specially the latter goes way up if there's any wound etc. around... So could it be that the tiny damage the pumping does works to increase these hormones on the spot? On this I haven't read anything on but it would make sense.
PG, yes, I'm planning to go on it next year, likely when I'm one year in with HRT. So there's quite some time to stock up on it. I hope I can as I'm sure it will be highly beneficial. I'm yet to get decent side branching going on. Lately I've got tons of more projection which is what E does. Knowing how my body reacts to hormonal changes, PG might be another magic bullet to make things go up a notch.
I'm amazed at how biologically active the chest is, it flattens out if I don't rub it before I sleep, it perks up if I do. I kind of had to realize over transitioning that it's less of a ball of fat and more of a fully active highly responsive organ. My theory is that a noogle is much closer to a long massage than I initially thought. I kind of doubt it wouldn't cause any more effect than an massage that took an hour, but its advantage is in how you can set it and forget it instead of rubbing for that long. Getting that much more massage time in is what I think can cause a lot. I'd really like to try rubbing for like, half an hour, presuming my arms don't explode, and see if more happens. Although I may be underestimating the uniformity and intensity of what noogling can do.
After thinking about it more too, PG seems like the capstone for transitioning. It's something to move onto at the end of estrogen's growth to complete the package deal. I think that recent growth I mentioned was entirely in projection, so the general plan seems to be, wait till you seem to finish growing just on estrogen, add progesterone, moderate its dosage to make sure you don't get any nasty emotional effects, and let the rest happen. Seemingly.
Day 137
Having some bacterial infection on my face wasn't enough. Now I got eye infection. Both eyes... And I'm sneezing and feeling under the weather. I guess I've caught cold or something. Its been quite a long time I've been sick. The trend with measurements keeps on going, bust and band sit where they are, but breast volume keeps on getting bigger. This has been now going on for eleven days in a row. I have a little theory on what's going on. Could this be the beginning of side branching? Cypro is a progestin right? That might explain what's going on. I'm feeling somewhat better today, not dysphoric as heck, not crying my eyes out. I think quitting DHEA was the right move. Too bad it didn't fit me, I would have wanted to see what it would do in the long run.
Noogling today, one hour done, another to go.
Agreed on what Siman234 said about PG... Hmm, I need to start preparing this, stock up on it so I'll have a decent stash to last for quite some time once I decide on starting it. My friend is on it DIY, maybe I'll ask her where she's ordering hers.
(05-11-2021, 10:38 AM)HelloDiDi Wrote: [ -> ]Day 137
Having some bacterial infection on my face wasn't enough. Now I got eye infection. Both eyes... And I'm sneezing and feeling under the weather. I guess I've caught cold or something. Its been quite a long time I've been sick. The trend with measurements keeps on going, bust and band sit where they are, but breast volume keeps on getting bigger. This has been now going on for eleven days in a row. I have a little theory on what's going on. Could this be the beginning of side branching? Cypro is a progestin right? That might explain what's going on. I'm feeling somewhat better today, not dysphoric as heck, not crying my eyes out. I think quitting DHEA was the right move. Too bad it didn't fit me, I would have wanted to see what it would do in the long run. " alt="" title=""> Noogling today, one hour done, another to go.
Agreed on what Siman234 said about PG... Hmm, I need to start preparing this, stock up on it so I'll have a decent stash to last for quite some time once I decide on starting it. My friend is on it DIY, maybe I'll ask her where she's ordering hers.
Did previously read someone who surmised the same thing about cypro maybe outputting a bit of progestin, but there's no direct scientific or anecdotal evidence, which of course makes sense, there's almost none for progesterone in general.
I tried two different sources for my estrogen and anti androgen over year one, but I think I'll stick with inhousepharmacy going forward, probably.
I, have another maybe silly question I'd like to ask, sorry in advance if it's too personal, but... I've seen a lot of trans scientific studies that seem to imply the average breast size of a of a trans mtf is an a cup or less, but I've seen so many people get more, and I've had more myself. I think I agree more with the "one cup size or so less" than the biological females on your family rule seems to be more accurate, as I'm around or at a bit less than where mine were. Is that about the same for you? Is your breast size around your biological family?
Maybe I'll make a dedicated thread for this, I just think the study people keep referencing used a sample set that might have strayed on the smaller side of people. That and it was controlled it estrogen and an anti androgen, I wonder if the effects of supplements and other things would allow us to equal or push forward. Either way, just thoughts, sorry again.
(05-11-2021, 08:26 PM)Siman234 Wrote: [ -> ]Did previously read someone who surmised the same thing about cypro maybe outputting a bit of progestin, but there's no direct scientific or anecdotal evidence, which of course makes sense, there's almost none for progesterone in general.tried two different sources for my estrogen and anti androgen over year one, but I think I'll stick with inhousepharmacy going forward, probably.I, have another maybe silly question I'd like to ask, sorry in advance if it's too personal, but... I've seen a lot of trans scientific studies that seem to imply the average breast size of a of a trans mtf is an a cup or less, but I've seen so many people get more, and I've had more myself. I think I agree more with the "one cup size or so less" than the biological females on your family rule seems to be more accurate, as I'm around or at a bit less than where mine were. Is that about the same for you? Is your breast size around your biological family? Maybe I'll make a dedicated thread for this, I just think the study people keep referencing used a sample set that might have strayed on the smaller side of people. That and it was controlled it estrogen and an anti androgen, I wonder if the effects of supplements and other things would allow us to equal or push forward.Either way, just thoughts, sorry again.
PG in general seems like a grey area... I haven't found much else than what other girls have written about it.
Most breast size studies for trans fem people are not conclusive. They do not last long enough and so on. So yea, most are bullshit as our breast growth takes far longer than a year or two.
Right now I think I'm passing the average of my family... But I got several cousins and an aunt who have them really huge. I think my family have it near the Finnish average which is said to be D+, excluding the few really busty ladies. None of them are flat or small. I'm not far from growing bigger than my mother which is quite cool.
I'll attach a picture from today, after noogling, I'm filling up the H cup quite nicely.
(05-11-2021, 09:41 PM)HelloDiDi Wrote: [ -> ] (05-11-2021, 08:26 PM)Siman234 Wrote: [ -> ]Did previously read someone who surmised the same thing about cypro maybe outputting a bit of progestin, but there's no direct scientific or anecdotal evidence, which of course makes sense, there's almost none for progesterone in general.tried two different sources for my estrogen and anti androgen over year one, but I think I'll stick with inhousepharmacy going forward, probably.I, have another maybe silly question I'd like to ask, sorry in advance if it's too personal, but... I've seen a lot of trans scientific studies that seem to imply the average breast size of a of a trans mtf is an a cup or less, but I've seen so many people get more, and I've had more myself. I think I agree more with the "one cup size or so less" than the biological females on your family rule seems to be more accurate, as I'm around or at a bit less than where mine were. Is that about the same for you? Is your breast size around your biological family? Maybe I'll make a dedicated thread for this, I just think the study people keep referencing used a sample set that might have strayed on the smaller side of people. That and it was controlled it estrogen and an anti androgen, I wonder if the effects of supplements and other things would allow us to equal or push forward.Either way, just thoughts, sorry again.
PG in general seems like a grey area... I haven't found much else than what other girls have written about it.
Most breast size studies for trans fem people are not conclusive. They do not last long enough and so on. So yea, most are bullshit as our breast growth takes far longer than a year or two.
Right now I think I'm passing the average of my family... But I got several cousins and an aunt who have them really huge. I think my family have it near the Finnish average which is said to be D+, excluding the few really busty ladies. None of them are flat or small. I'm not far from growing bigger than my mother which is quite cool. " alt="" title=""> I'll attach a picture from today, after noogling, I'm filling up the H cup quite nicely.
Not only do they not last long enough, but their sample sizes are like... 200 people tops. It's just not enough for an average.
Noogling really does sound like yet another thing to push it even farther, I'm just not sure about the daily setup and time sink required to use it... not that I don't have the time, I'm just worried about using it, and hiding myself when using it. I really don't wanna have to get interrupted mid-noogle when the cups are filled with water. That and discretely shipping here somehow.
I've had likely one of the most depressed, suicidal and shitty days of my transition so far... But its weird how on these days something great happens. My mother today first time treated me as her daughter, also called me her daughter, didn't misgender me a single time. I had good time with her, first time opening about my issues, my needs and my plans. I never do this. First time in years and she treated me really nicely.
I thought to lighten up the mood, had some beers... And I thought to post a video link here for the first time ever. This is a short clip, playing with my boobs after a two hour noogle session. Discreet, I'm wearing the white HelloTitty shirt, but no bra. So yea, stuff kinda shows through a bit. I think this might give a better idea about what's going on with my breasts.
Little flash in the end of course...
<3
https://i.imgur.com/UcKkpLr.mp4
It's always good to go to sleep on rough days feeling good, that and even better to have people support our transition. My bf was there herbal day 0 four years ago and even my mother made a passing comment about me wearing a bra the other day and it vindicates one so much.
Very glad you were able to sit down and have a chat like that, emotions are as important in transitioning as the fun bits.
Day 139
The trend continues, today my measurements fluctuated to worse, longer band, smaller bust, not much and within typical daily fluctuation. But my breast volume just keeps on climbing which is kinda strange. I have never before seen development like this where bust and band mostly sit in place while volume keeps getting bigger. Both horizontal and vertical measurements keep on getting bigger. Why doesn't this reflect on bust measurement like it normally does?
Larger volume is more than welcome, I think my shape is getting more defined and there's more projection, both are awesome and needed changes and I wish this keeps on going. I'm filling up the H cup so well that I've been able to drop most of the padding off, it was there to just straighten the cups anyway...
I forgot to noogle yesterday, didn't quite feel like it, but today I will as soon as I'll have privacy.
Oh btw, I haven't shown my backside for a long time, I think its time to update.
(07-11-2021, 10:30 AM)HelloDiDi Wrote: [ -> ]Day 139
The trend continues, today my measurements fluctuated to worse, longer band, smaller bust, not much and within typical daily fluctuation. But my breast volume just keeps on climbing which is kinda strange. I have never before seen development like this where bust and band mostly sit in place while volume keeps getting bigger. Both horizontal and vertical measurements keep on getting bigger. Why doesn't this reflect on bust measurement like it normally does?
Larger volume is more than welcome, I think my shape is getting more defined and there's more projection, both are awesome and needed changes and I wish this keeps on going. I'm filling up the H cup so well that I've been able to drop most of the padding off, it was there to just straighten the cups anyway...
I forgot to noogle yesterday, didn't quite feel like it, but today I will as soon as I'll have privacy.
Oh btw, I haven't shown my backside for a long time, I think its time to update.
Did you feel a lot of changes to the backside came because of hrt? I did gain a lot of weight before getting on proper hrt, and I know it's a much slower process but it's mostly muscle down there for me at the moment and I'm trying to fuel my body with as much as it can to move some fat down there.
I'll just drop this here.