E will mitigate in all
and drop desire in all
it just lets you discover whether your partial or true TS,
partial you just hold at point,
true ts you will accelerate and carry on,
If I take or boost T my feelings will ramp to STUPID LEVEL, same as when I stop E , the ramp will begin,
But on E I really cannot be arsed to dress, apart from growling at an incredibly sexy pair of booties, sigh
Julie
x
(23-01-2018, 12:05 PM)julieTG Wrote: [ -> ]E will mitigate in all
and drop desire in all
Not ALL, sorry, but i disagree there.
it just lets you discover whether your partial or true TS,
partial you just hold at point,
true ts you will accelerate and carry on,
I agree, yes it does indeed do this as well.
If I take or boost T my feelings will ramp to STUPID LEVEL, same as when I stop E , the ramp will begin,
I will feel really Ill, and mentally unstable, my desire for Fem things will diminish and i`ll feel like I`m going mad!
But on E I really cannot be arsed to dress, apart from growling at an incredibly sexy pair of booties, sigh
on E I just feel Normal, completely and utterly Normal.
Julie
x
And that difference is what worries me, because it doesn`t seem to fit the typical TS model, and as such i`ll probably not be able to get help so that I can become whole, Unless I tell lies
(23-01-2018, 11:40 AM)Katie Wrote: [ -> ] (23-01-2018, 10:20 AM)Shirazmn Wrote: [ -> ]Our push for crossdressing, as Aria correctly states, is mainly a fetish. As such, it is for sexual gratification (mostly), therefore it ceases when out sex drive lowers. Since one of the effects of E on the male body is a reduced sex drive, here's the ansver to Katie's question from a cisgender male crossdresser point of view.
Katie's case, like many other, is one of transgenderism that leads to transexualism. Most probably it's not testosterone driven and it's hardly ever been a fetish. And that's why with her "it didn't work".
I`m srtuggling to understand this in terms of my question though, so these people in that article cited as TS, are Not TS because they had their desire lowered by E? but are in fact as you state, fetishist or sexually motivated?
or are you saying that since my desire didn`t alter in that way, but almost the Opposite that I`m not a TS?
I`m a little confused here. xx
This passage from the article you linked is foundamentally wrong:
"
In addition, to account for the periodic need to cross dress in certain males, I predict that eventually we will find that as testosterone levels rise above some threshold in the daily lives of these males (Ahokoski et al 1998), that the enzyme aromatase becomes active and temporarily converts testosterone into estradiol forcing a strong desire to dress and live, even if only temporarily, as a woman."
It's not wrong by my standards, it's wrong from a scientific point of view beacuse it confuses gender with sex. Hormones are physical factor that has to do with SEX, while clothing and mannerisms are a social factor that has to do with GENDER. There is nothing in a female's DNA that makes her wear pretty clothes, high heels etc... This is extremely important to understand.
Also, to further clarify, there is nothing in an hormone that will make you want to change your gender, your sex or your sexual orientation. This is a basic mistake that Julie makes. If what she says was true, then the thousands of gays and crossdressers injected with Testosterone as a "cure" in the early 1900 would have actually been "cured". (See Alan Turing).
There are people that are latent transgender, I believe mostly because they are in denial or because the idea of transitioning still hasn't crossed their mind. These people may approach things like NBE to "experiment" with their feelings. Seeing a way to reconcile their perceived gender with their body image is why they don't stop. In their case the idea of feminisation is latent in their mind and it is freed as they progress with NBE, ultimately turning into HRT and in some cases SRS. This, Katie, I think is your case.
I am not saying that moving from "sex driven crossdressing" is impossible. I am saying that the motivation behind a continuous use of hormones and NBE are not sex related, so they don't depend from the push given by testosterone to a genetically male body.
"Real" crossdressers do not convert T into E, otherwise wearing heels and bras would make a man grow boobs. Their crossdressing strongly depends on their levels of testosterone.
@Julie: as much as it is annoying for a transgender/transexual person to be labelled with their gender assigned at birth, it is also annoying for a male to be labelled as a transgender when they are not. It's not offensive, just annoying beacuse it shifts the perspective of the conversation. Let me insist on this: after 38 years in my body and plenty of experiences in all directions I have a clear idea of who I am. Some people, see above, can change their mind, but I think that you should respect my self identification as cisgender male. And the same goes for many other cis male users on this site. I am not labelling you in any way. I am trying to drill into Katie's mind because this is what this thread is about, but please refrain from labelling others.
Katie
incorrect , you will get your srs acceptance with ease as for one reason
The test of a TG/TS person is often simple
Put them on E if they feel normal/good then they are more than likely TG/TS
shiraz
your out of context and I have been on these forums with a
VERY STRONG MALE IDENTITY
damn site longer than you Hon
Julie
@Julie: you can judge me as much as you want. Your problem, not mine. I stopped trying to read/gender define people long ago. Label me as TG, TS or Unicorn if you want. I'll just see you as I see those that forcefully call "boy" a transwoman. I am sure our lives will go on just fine.
One thing:
"
The test of a TG/TS person is often simple
Put them on E if they feel normal/good then they are more than likely TG/TS"
That is beyond stupid and can't have any scientific basis. Please find me a single doctor that when asked "Doc, I like to wear panties, am I transgender?" Would hand out a packet of Estrogens and say "Take this for three months and tell me how you feel".
(23-01-2018, 01:31 PM)julieTG Wrote: [ -> ]Katie
incorrect , you will get your srs acceptance with ease as for one reason
Oh Julie, do you really think so? I`m so worried that they`ll say no based on some technicality that i was unaware of, or even worse, that I would have to try and lie to give them the "right answers". xx
About 25 years ago when I was going through a ‘Dark Night of the Soul’ over my CDing, and trying to figure out my sexuality, I realized that when I looked at an attractive woman, I wasn’t looking at her only as an object of desire (or lust!), but I was actually jealous of her. Her femininity, her shape, her outfit, make-up, hair, shoes, etc., etc. I wanted that, ALL of it! This was a long time before TS, TG, TV or CD were used in any other than a derogatory way (think late 80s, early 90s). It was also a long time before NBE became a viable option (pre-internet, remember?).
There was no form of E in my system, other than that generated naturally, nothing to “motivate” my gender-confused feelings. I wasn’t totally dissatisfied with being male, but when I expressed my femme side through CDing I felt more complete. It wasn’t purely sexual or for titillation, it gave me peace, and I began to realize this split identity was who I was.
So, that’s my $.02, my own feelings/desires had nothing to do with E, fetishism, narcissism or anything else, other than a strong feminine side. I don’t know where it came from, but I’ve had it all my life. This duality is who I am.
Katie, I think Julie is right, you’ll be there and achieve your goal, just be yourself, only a complete idiot wouldn’t see who you really are.
Jenn
shiraz
your so incorrect
I can and I did,
I am on e, they are out there ,
prescribed and I am a part time dresser, but the problem is higher than that,
many many doctors do prescribe in the Uk
Julie
x
shiraz
and if you knew anything at all about the new
wpath standards of care,
you would see the treatment protocoll
go and study it then report back
Julie
(23-01-2018, 02:57 PM)julieTG Wrote: [ -> ]shiraz
and if you knew anything at all about the new
wpath standards of care,
you would see the treatment protocoll
go and study it then report back
Julie
It costs 45 USD. Since you have read it, can you please post a screenshot of the part where they suggest giving hormones to potentially transgendered people to better identify their dysphoria?
A small crop of the page will do. Nothing that breaks copyright.
Thanks
@Katie Jennipher is totally right. not even a blind doctor in a dark room would fail to identify you as a woman.