hello everyone!
i have just joined here because this forum seems to be the most open-minded, unbiased and has a willingness to be helpful forum ive seen on this topic.
to start, i'm a 43 year old male that has always had it somewhere in the back of my mind that i wished i could have breasts, but never thought it possible without surgery until the past few weeks when i ran across an ad while browsing random pages. it wasnt until recently when my girlfriend had a hayday "showing me how it feels" when i give her breasts that much attention that i thought again about that ad and decided to look into it.
ive done as much research as i could, but very skeptical on a product seller's testimomials. ive dug and dug for any and all feedback for the products ive seen, and have run into mixed veiws and would like some help in which products are "invest-worthy"
the one product that seems to be drawing my main interest is NatureDay. it seems the most well rounded and thought out program, has alot going for it and only seen a few reviews of it not working by people that stop after about a month.
when i brought all this up with my girlfriend(a very hard conversation to get going), of course her gutshot reaction was a resounding "no" until i showed her the NatureDay pages and now she is open to it but still let out a giggle when i came home today with a genie bra to show us both the idea of what it would look like if this program works.
going by some of the Dr. side websites in my research, ive learned that my age is going to play a major limiting factor, but also that my genetic pre-disposition of every female on both sides of my lineage had DD or larger breasts helps. i have hopes to eventually fill(well) into a C cup.
waiting to invest anything until i get some feedback(and tax return)
currently 6'4" 185lbs.
beast measurements before:
39 band
41 over nipple
40 above breast
I've never used NatureDay and I think most on here (including myself) use PM. All the reviews you need for straight PM can be found right here on this forum. I get mine from ainterolherbs.com as they have a US shipping option.
A big welcome and breast of luck on your adventure!
And age shouldn't be a factor....I'm 43 as well...
I'm currently using NatureDay, and as soon as my initial supply runs out I will be using PM only. I've been on ND for a full 6 weeks now, but I really have not seen much difference. Though by tape measure I have had some growth. From everything I have read on this forum PM is the way to go and like I said, that is what I will be switching to.
If you're serious about wanting to try and grow your breasts, look into PM. You will find lots of information on it here on the forum. Welcome and Good luck!
The whole PM thing (to me) is a bit overboard from what I've read on it. Yes it nets faster results, but at the expense of doing of full MtF transition. I tip my hat to all that go that route, but if I were to put myself on a 1 to 10 scale with 1 being masculine and 10 being feminine, I would realistically place myself at a 3, possibly a 4. As I said. I know PM is the fast route, but so far I think overall results with the slower nature day way is the better option for what I'm after. No disrespect at all to the TG community, it takes a lot of guts and dedication to do that, and I hold anyone with that kind of mindset in the highest regard.
I might be mistaken but isn't the backbone / active ingredient in ND pueraria mirifica (PM). The only questions that no one seems to be able to answer is how much and how potent. IMHO, why not just use the straight up active ingredient and put the dosing control in your own hands. you're in control because you can start or stop, take more or less. Saying I don't want to use PM because it's too potent is kinda like saying I don't want a Ferrari because I only want to go 30MPH.
PM is not just for those who want to transition. In fact, of the many people I know who have decided to transition, both here and those I know personally, only one has completed transition on herbs alone (her username is Robin). PM is ideal for those who want something but DON'T want to transition. Lastly, I think you'll spend a lot less money on PM than you will ND. ...I'm on a transition course but I've tried to be unbiased for your sake. I really don't care what you choose to do but I'm glad you have found your way here and had the courage to ask. best of luck in whatever you decide!
I appreciate the feedback kari, and going by the time scale differences between ND and PM I would make a rough guess that ND is half or less dosage compared to PM as the primary driving force in the NBE. Based on most success stories of ND taking 3 to 5 months before budding compared to a few weeks to 2 months with PM. That being said, I am not ruling out the PM option, but think I am going to try the slow route for the 8 month regime ND has to offer. If that fails, then I will most likely decide to go the PM route as I am 100% certain that I want the breasts. I am a patient person and am willing to wait for end results. Besides, to me it seems like a thrill to run the slow race not noticing much in the way of immediate change, then wake up one day and say "wow when did those pop up!"
(19-01-2015, 05:23 PM)MysticDwagon Wrote: [ -> ]The whole PM thing (to me) is a bit overboard from what I've read on it. Yes it nets faster results, but at the expense of doing of full MtF transition.
I don't plan on that route, and I really have not noticed my face looking anymore feminine...only seem to be growing a small set of tits!
(19-01-2015, 07:36 PM)MysticDwagon Wrote: [ -> ]I appreciate the feedback kari, and going by the time scale differences between ND and PM I would make a rough guess that ND is half or less dosage compared to PM as the primary driving force in the NBE. Based on most success stories of ND taking 3 to 5 months before budding compared to a few weeks to 2 months with PM. That being said, I am not ruling out the PM option, but think I am going to try the slow route for the 8 month regime ND has to offer. If that fails, then I will most likely decide to go the PM route as I am 100% certain that I want the breasts. I am a patient person and am willing to wait for end results. Besides, to me it seems like a thrill to run the slow race not noticing much in the way of immediate change, then wake up one day and say "wow when did those pop up!"
The simple fact is: "budding is budding" and you'd better be 100% sure you want to go down that path before you start. Because once it starts, you can't instantly turn it off. You could easily end up with "A" size breasts (with glandular tissue, not fat) that will cost $$$$ if your girlfriend decides you need to "undo" it. Most will say it requires about 2000mg of PM/day to trigger budding, but everyone is different. ND may be weaker than Ainterol PM, but once budding starts, you could find yourself with permanent little breasts in less than two weeks. Seriously!
Just so you know, ND lists the following:
Saw Palmetto Berries
Fennel Seed
Fenugreek Seed
Dong Quai Root
Blessed Thistle herb
Serving is 3 capsules. This "proprietary blend" is 700 mg per pill. For obvious reasons they do not list the % or mg of each of the ingredients separately.
If you search through the forum you will find the above herbs mentioned in use by various users in their program of choice. I believe there is even a post that lists what each herb's trait is.
As you can see, there is no PM in NatureDay. The main active ingredient would be SP as it is listed first.
In reading through the posts you will see a trend, it is in combination with other herb's and dosage levels taken that can possibly affect, appearance, functionality etc. I do not believe PM alone will transition you. I remember reading through Robins posts, and it was combinations of herbs that helped her to transition. Others on here that are seeking transition, herbs has not been enough. Though the combinations of herbs they were taking has helped them to start the process, or helped them realize what their true and ultimate goal is the herbal method was just not enough and now seek a new path to complete the transition.
You will find on here that for some PM alone gave them their desired growth, other's in conjunction with other herbs helped them to achieve their desired growth. Unfortunately this isn't an exact science, mileage may vary from person to person. You have to find what works with you and your body.
The wonderful users on here share their experiences with various combinations and dosages and what overall effect it has had. This greatly helps newer people to see what has or hasn't been tried, and what has or hasn't worked. The combined knowledge and experience on here is priceless.
Getting back to NatureDay, look at reviews on amazon, there are positive and negative reviews, so even NatureDay does not work for everyone. So it may work for you, it may not. It isn't cheap, especially when you look up the costs of those individual ingredients. You're paying for their "proprietary blend", what they have found works for possibly a good chunk of people. Unfortunately as is, you cannot really control increasing or decreasing a single ingredient as it is all blended and it is unknown the percentage of each.
Whatever you choose to do, I wish you luck and I hope you achieve what you desire. Sorry for the long post.
I started out with ND myself, with the cream only. I started as a sceptic but to my surprise, the ND cream did cause some enlargement. Later, I added SP supplements, which seemed to speed up a bit. Right now, I am off ND due to the price, and only using a cheap PM cream with several DHT blockers.
You can try ND if slow progress is what you want. Not sure if this is of interest to you, but using the cream only gave me bigger breasts without budding. I don't have puffy/enlarged nipples or areolas.