Breast Growth For Genetic Males

Hi

Not having had too much success with PM, I have for quite a time been using Fennel, Fenugreek, and Saw Palmetto, and have some success but I want more.

After learning about the very negative effects of DHT when trying to grow boobs, two or three months ago I increased considerably my intake of SP, to try to cut down the activities of the enzyme 5-alpha reductase, to try reduce my levels of DHT.

I think it has been successful - my body hair growth is slower, my boobs have grown a bit more, my libido has gone up, and I feel good.

Now some websites do suggest that SP increase testosterone levels a bit, which would explain the increase in libido.

Now whether this increase in testosterone level is due to the fact that less testosterone is being converted to DHT, or whether it is caused by an increase in production of testosterone I don`t know.

But I am now thinking that I want to try to use this apparent extra testosterone, and boost the activity of the Aromatase enzyme to increase the level of aromatisation of testosterone into oestrogen.

One of the herbs that is commonly associated with this type of aromatisation is white peonie - but now I am finding some differences between websites about white peonie.

There are a couple of websites that are basically about Chinese medications - and they suggest that red peonie is produced from the whole of the root of the peonie plant, and white peonie is produced from the peonie root after the outer red skin has been taken off. These two forms of peonie root have different effects, and are used to treat different symptoms.

Other websites just talk about white peonie, and white peonie tea.

So does anyone know a bit more definitively about white peonie, and what form to take ?

There are a few posts on this forum about white peonie, but I haven`t really seen any that give me an idea about how to go. For example, can I just go to Amazon and buy white peonie tea - would this have any effect ?

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Now a different herb - one or two body building forums suggest that a herb Forskolin radically increases aromatisation, but I have only found a few references to it on this forum.

Aagin, going to Amazon, there are loads of companies selling it, mostly under the banner of a weight loss supplement.

Has anyone got any experience of this ?

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So that`s my queries - many thanks to anyone who can shed a bit of light on all this.

In theory at least, inhibiting the production of DHT and increasing the aromatisation of testosterone into oestrogen should be quite a powerful way of feminising, particularily for older males, in whom increasing levels of DHT may well be a bit of an obstacle to growing boobs.

Yes it works, quite effectively I might add, there are numerous threads on aromatase and its effect, (try the search option under the same name). SP inhibits progesterone receptors, look into Rieshi for battling DHT. White peony tea is just white tea, unless you actually have the root to be made as a tea. Otherwise it's mostly used in extract form, (again search option), yes it's extended reading, but, unlocking breast growth needs that extended research to find the correct info.


I'd do further research on forskolin, I ruled it out as potentially hazardous, although I'm sure opposing research is posted out there, it's your choice.


Side effects of forskolin include headaches, decreased blood pressure and a rapid heart rate due to its vasodilator properties. It does carry a warning by cancer researchers that it may have a role in causing cyst enlargement in women with polycystic kidney disease. And, that it may cause an increase in the likelihood of internal bleeding. Medical authorities warn that forskolin should not be taken by patients currently using cardiac medications or blood thinners.

A lot of places look like they are selling just white tea made from regular tea leaves and calling it "peony". I am having problems finding the "real stuff". I have googled, searched E-Bay as well as Amazon. Any place else I may of skipped over?

(11-11-2014, 08:43 PM)iaboy Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of places look like they are selling just white tea made from regular tea leaves and calling it "peony". I am having problems finding the "real stuff". I have googled, searched E-Bay as well as Amazon. Any place else I may of skipped over?

In extract form:

White Peony Root Extract 4oz
http://www.amazon.com/White-Peony-Root-Extract-4oz/dp/B000OAXVK2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1415735189&sr=8-2&keywords=white+peony+root+extract

White peony (Paeonia lactiflora) Liquid Extract 4 oz
http://www.amazon.com/White-Paeonia-lactiflora-Liquid-Extract/dp/B00A75Y22K/ref=pd_sim_hpc_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ADPBPYYGE3YYCNG766W

White Peony Root
https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/produc...ot/profile

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Jacp114 listed this site, I haven't used it, although I'm curious if anybody has.

http://www.chineseherbsdirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=995&gclid=CPW8tI-g27sCFWMV7Aod4mkApw

Peony is fine, as long as the label is from the genus of Paeonia. It may have different levels of chemicals including its aromatases. It's the difference between a lemon and an orange. (plants from the same genus can't always be substituted, however.)

WebMD - Peony

Darn you Lotus.... I just found it too. [url=http://www.amazon.com/White-Peony-Root-Extract-4oz/dp/B000OAXVK2][/url]

LOL.. PPPPPPPPPPPfffffffffffffffffffffffftttttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!

(11-11-2014, 08:48 PM)Lotus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-11-2014, 08:43 PM)iaboy Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of places look like they are selling just white tea made from regular tea leaves and calling it "peony". I am having problems finding the "real stuff". I have googled, searched E-Bay as well as Amazon. Any place else I may of skipped over?

In extract form:

White Peony Root Extract 4oz
http://www.amazon.com/White-Peony-Root-Extract-4oz/dp/B000OAXVK2/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1415735189&sr=8-2&keywords=white+peony+root+extract

White peony (Paeonia lactiflora) Liquid Extract 4 oz
http://www.amazon.com/White-Paeonia-lactiflora-Liquid-Extract/dp/B00A75Y22K/ref=pd_sim_hpc_8?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ADPBPYYGE3YYCNG766W

White Peony Root
https://www.mountainroseherbs.com/produc...ot/profile

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Jacp114 listed this site, I haven't used it, although I'm curious if anybody has.

http://www.chineseherbsdirect.com/product_info.php?products_id=995&gclid=CPW8tI-g27sCFWMV7Aod4mkApw

Last one:

White Peony Root / Bai Shao Yao / Paeonia Lactiflora, 1lb, 454g, Bulk Herb
http://www.amazon.com/White-Peony-Root-P...B008LX14WQ

I couldn't find the pill form,

(A customer review).
Flavor and smell of tea is pleasant. Chunks of peony root must be ground in food processor or blender. Turns out Nu Herbs offers a number of other forms - pre-ground and already loaded in capsules for convenience. Much less expensive than the Life Extension product.

I hope this helps not-moobs, good luck.

I'll have more updated info on WP soon,

My local health food store ordered from "Herbs of Light" since they already handled a large variety of their extracts.

Wondering what kind of track record Iowa Herbs has. How good is there products. I always try to buy locally when possible. Has anyone tried their stuff?

Hi again

Many thanks for all the contributions and the information - it looks like amazon.com has a better range of things than amazon.co.uk, which is the one I use - since I`m in the UK.

I note the comment by Lotus that lessening DHT and increasing aromatisation is quite an effective way to go for boobie growth - looking at some M-to-F trans websites, it looks as if taking Finasteride and oestrogen is one of the common ways that is administered by the medical world - Finasteride is like Saw Palmetto, in that it inhibits the 5 alpha reductase enzyme.

So going for Saw Palmetto and aromatisation is the same strategy.

I have been doing a bit more digging into inhibiting the conversion of T to DHT - one of the things I found is that there are two types of 5 alpha reductase - type 1, and type 2.

Wikipedia had a casual off-the-cuff reference to a type 3, but I have not seen it anywhere else.

Type 1 is found mostly in the non-genital skin and the liver, whilst type 2 is found in the prostrate, the male genital skin ( particularily in the glans ), the liver, and scalp hair follicles.

I haven`t found anything that suggests whether the DHT produced by type 1 5 alpha reductase is the same as the DHT produced by the type 2 5 alpha reductase, or whether it is different.

However it is interesting to note that the different means of inhibiting 5 alpha reductase don`t all do the same thing - so for example -

Saw Palmetto inhibits type 1 and type 2.

Green tea inhibits type 1.

GLA might inhibit type 1 and type 2, but there are some differences of opinion about this on different websites.

Just as a comparison, Finasteride mostly inhibits type 2, with only a small effect on type 1.

Dutasteride inhibits type 1 and type 2, so is regarded as considerably more powerful than Finasteride.

There are several more plant based substances that also inhibit 5 alpha reductase, but I haven`t really got to grips with them.

So all this somewhat confirms that Saw Palmetto can be a valuable constituent in herbal breast enlargement.

I don`t think I can buy pharma type estradiol without a prescription - if only there was a plant that actually provided real oestrogen - or more specifically, estradiol, rather than providing an oestrogen phyto substitute !