31-05-2014, 04:00 AM
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31-05-2014, 04:18 AM
Pretty cool!!!!
31-05-2014, 08:59 AM
Medical necessity?
I can't wait to hear how owning a penis is a life-threatening condition for someone who managed to make it to the age of Medicare eligibility with one.
I swear I'd walk outside and scream, but I'm too polite to wake the neighbors. How did so many of America's village idiots manage to congregate in one spot on the central east coast?
Sorry, y'all... it might be kinda good news in a way, but to anyone with an eye to realism, it's one more proof that our government has gone completely off the fucking rails. Been a lot of those last few years.
I can't wait to hear how owning a penis is a life-threatening condition for someone who managed to make it to the age of Medicare eligibility with one.
I swear I'd walk outside and scream, but I'm too polite to wake the neighbors. How did so many of America's village idiots manage to congregate in one spot on the central east coast?
Sorry, y'all... it might be kinda good news in a way, but to anyone with an eye to realism, it's one more proof that our government has gone completely off the fucking rails. Been a lot of those last few years.
31-05-2014, 01:35 PM
When some gender-related issues can lead to self-harm and eventually suicide I see it as life-threatening.
31-05-2014, 02:18 PM
(31-05-2014, 01:35 PM)echapman Wrote: [ -> ]When some gender-related issues can lead to self-harm and eventually suicide I see it as life-threatening.
I agree with you! Thanks, honey!
31-05-2014, 09:06 PM
Oh... kay...
Will someone explain to me, then, why self-harm and suicide need to be taxpayer funded? Why is someone else's self-harm my financial responsibility?
Do any of you actually have to write your own check to the IRS quarterly? Do you feel the squeeze of all the things shit-for-brains politicians think we need to pay for already?
Medicare already does not cover many things that could save the lives of people who do NOT hurt or kill themselves. People who love life and want to live are being denied care -- shouldn't they have first priority? Heck, we've got a recent scandal about that -- granted, it's VA and not Medicare, but it's the same federal gummint.
Why the fuck should we try to save people who don't WANT to live? (That could be a jumping-off point for a discussion on physician-assisted suicide aka euthanasia, but not today...)
That's not even counting the fact that the TS suicide rate does NOT go down, post-op. That's not a very good success rate, is it? Why fund something with a zero percent success rate at what it is you're trying to prevent?
I realize that sounds callous to people who think only with their bleeding hearts, but I am coming from a place where I have lost co-workers and friends and relatives to suicide. Reasons varied from divorce and holiday blues, to a cheating girlfriend, to dying anyway of cancer. (That last one was a cousin... docs wouldn't give her enough morphine to gently slip away, so her final act was jumping off a high-rise. Gross.)
How could government have prevented my close high school friend's suicide when he learned the truth about his girlfriend? Forced her to apologize and give him a blowjob? Pay for a sympathetic call girl? Where do we draw a line, people?
Does anyone actually stop to think about what they think? Ask yourself at times the question, "This thing I believe -- is it supported by facts? Does it make sense? Is it logical? Can I prove it?"
I am willing to listen, and to change my mind... IF anyone can present a logical case. But I suspect all I'm going to hear is some whining about the "tone" of the thread, which is code for "I don't have a response to that."
Will someone explain to me, then, why self-harm and suicide need to be taxpayer funded? Why is someone else's self-harm my financial responsibility?
Do any of you actually have to write your own check to the IRS quarterly? Do you feel the squeeze of all the things shit-for-brains politicians think we need to pay for already?
Medicare already does not cover many things that could save the lives of people who do NOT hurt or kill themselves. People who love life and want to live are being denied care -- shouldn't they have first priority? Heck, we've got a recent scandal about that -- granted, it's VA and not Medicare, but it's the same federal gummint.
Why the fuck should we try to save people who don't WANT to live? (That could be a jumping-off point for a discussion on physician-assisted suicide aka euthanasia, but not today...)
That's not even counting the fact that the TS suicide rate does NOT go down, post-op. That's not a very good success rate, is it? Why fund something with a zero percent success rate at what it is you're trying to prevent?
I realize that sounds callous to people who think only with their bleeding hearts, but I am coming from a place where I have lost co-workers and friends and relatives to suicide. Reasons varied from divorce and holiday blues, to a cheating girlfriend, to dying anyway of cancer. (That last one was a cousin... docs wouldn't give her enough morphine to gently slip away, so her final act was jumping off a high-rise. Gross.)
How could government have prevented my close high school friend's suicide when he learned the truth about his girlfriend? Forced her to apologize and give him a blowjob? Pay for a sympathetic call girl? Where do we draw a line, people?
Does anyone actually stop to think about what they think? Ask yourself at times the question, "This thing I believe -- is it supported by facts? Does it make sense? Is it logical? Can I prove it?"
I am willing to listen, and to change my mind... IF anyone can present a logical case. But I suspect all I'm going to hear is some whining about the "tone" of the thread, which is code for "I don't have a response to that."
01-06-2014, 02:04 AM
(31-05-2014, 09:06 PM)MissC Wrote: [ -> ]I am willing to listen, and to change my mind... IF anyone can present a logical case. But I suspect all I'm going to hear is some whining about the "tone" of the thread, which is code for "I don't have a response to that."
OK, I'll try, briefly.
In Britain, the formula in inquests into suicides certainly used to be that the victim took their life while the balance of their mind was disturbed. There seems to me to be just as much justification for a publicly funded health service to treat conditions likely to lead to such disturbance of the mind as there is for treating any other mental illness. While gender variance is not a disease, the severe dysphoria that it can cause is a mental disorder and is deserving of treatment. Are you suggesting that all the suicides that you refer to in your post were themselves solely responsible for the states of mind that led to them taking their own lives, because that is not in accordance with your own accounts of them? They were as deserving of any relevant medical or psychiatric help available as anyone else.
01-06-2014, 06:21 AM
I know I'll just get a bunch of verbal abuse for this, but Ella and a few others here can back me up when I say that your cousin didn't have to die at all (from cancer). There are nearly 400 known natural cures.
Secondly, nobody HAS to pay taxes! Even the Constitution says is completely voluntary!! VERY LITTLE if ANY of your tax money goes to do what your told it goes for!
By the way, I'm VERY sorry for your cousin's loss, it brings up both of my very recent family deaths. My dad died of cancer in Jan. `06. Had I known about the cures, I would've helped him (and, had I known which hospital my singer was in, I'd have at least TRIED to help him get rid of his cancer. Thank the wonderful government and Monsanto for the agent orange that eventually killed him 2 years ago!!). And, Dec. 2012, my brother jumped off a bridge.
Secondly, nobody HAS to pay taxes! Even the Constitution says is completely voluntary!! VERY LITTLE if ANY of your tax money goes to do what your told it goes for!
By the way, I'm VERY sorry for your cousin's loss, it brings up both of my very recent family deaths. My dad died of cancer in Jan. `06. Had I known about the cures, I would've helped him (and, had I known which hospital my singer was in, I'd have at least TRIED to help him get rid of his cancer. Thank the wonderful government and Monsanto for the agent orange that eventually killed him 2 years ago!!). And, Dec. 2012, my brother jumped off a bridge.
05-06-2014, 03:44 PM
I am baffled by the diatribe about suicide, politics, etc. How does all that relate to the article Samantha linked?
I would much prefer not to have this space become a place for pounding the political table. It would be much better to share a cup of tea than to have a Tea Party here.
I would much prefer not to have this space become a place for pounding the political table. It would be much better to share a cup of tea than to have a Tea Party here.
05-06-2014, 04:04 PM
Actually Medicare is just insurance.... you still need to buy additional coverage to fill in all the gaps Medicare has... and you have to be 65 so how many are going to wait till then to transition just to get insurance to pay a portion of it? the law says you have to have health care insurance to anyway.... and if you want to change teams then start saving your quarters....
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