Breast Growth For Genetic Males - Do Fenugreek and PM use the same receptors?

If so I am gonna stop using FG and only take it when I take a week break from PM every now and again.

Thanks for the info

(29-03-2014, 09:09 PM)JennyA Wrote: [ -> ]If so I am gonna stop using FG and only take it when I take a week break from PM every now and again.

Thanks for the info

Hmm, I think so but I'm not absolutely certain. I do know some members take FG to promote swelling of breast tissue while taking pm.

For the most part, yes. Fenugreek supposedly has a different blend of phyto-hormones, apparently including something like prolactin or stimulating prolactin, but that would interfere with estrogenic breast growth anyway.

(30-03-2014, 06:19 AM)Epicene Wrote: [ -> ]For the most part, yes. Fenugreek supposedly has a different blend of phyto-hormones, apparently including something like prolactin or stimulating prolactin, but that would interfere with estrogenic breast growth anyway.

Huh?

(30-03-2014, 06:33 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?

I'm not sure what you're "huh"ing to, but I'm sure you can come up with better information than I, Lotus.

(30-03-2014, 06:45 AM)Epicene Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:33 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?

I'm not sure what you're "huh"ing to, but I'm sure you can come up with better information than I, Lotus.

Lol, I was waiting the same from you! Big Grin

(30-03-2014, 06:52 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:45 AM)Epicene Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:33 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?

I'm not sure what you're "huh"ing to, but I'm sure you can come up with better information than I, Lotus.

Lol, I was waiting from the same from you!

Seriously, I'm not into the one-upmanship, all I can tell you is that from what I've read and posted that despite contrary to belief, FG is a prolactin source. And prolactin which is a hormone is very much a part of breast growth as say phytoestrogens are. I might point out though I've found that FG is listed as a phytoestrogen because it's a flavonoid. So to me it's another adaptogen just like shatavari or maca would be.

So please don't me or my huh too serious, I don't. Rolleyes

(30-03-2014, 07:13 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:52 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:45 AM)Epicene Wrote: [ -> ]
(30-03-2014, 06:33 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]Huh?

I'm not sure what you're "huh"ing to, but I'm sure you can come up with better information than I, Lotus.

Lol, I was waiting from the same from you!

Seriously, I'm not into the one-upmanship, all I can tell you is that from what I've read and posted that despite contrary to belief, FG is a prolactin source. And prolactin which is a hormone is very much a part of breast growth as say phytoestrogens are. I might point out though I've found that FG is listed as a phytoestrogen because it's a flavonoid. So to me it's another adaptogen just like shatavari or maca would be.

So please don't me or my huh too serious, I don't.

Oh, I just wasn't sure what you were uncertain about. Smile

Yeah FG is definitely a prolactin source, but it's definitely still got estrogenic properties. The issue I'm mentioning is between the weaker flavonoids occupying the estrogen receptors before PM's flotilla of phytoestrogens.

As for the prolactin, yes it's big in breast growth, but it is responsible for different parts of development than estrogen and can compete with it (can't recall the mechanism currently). Estrogen's more all-around. Prolactin is more glandular and helps build fat. I'm not sure if FG can take it there, but it increases the amount and sensitivity of estrogen receptors at higher levels. I've actually been wondering for a while if a timed cycle of PM and prolactin-boosting herbs (galactagogues) would help growth.

You should checkout this thread when you get time,

(17-02-2014, 06:09 AM)~Lotus~ Wrote: [ -> ]Ok people, who's up for a little NBE science?

Prolactin and progesterone may enhance ductal outgrowth by inducing ERα expression.

Activation of ER-α causes elongation or horizontal growth of mammary duct cells. Progesterone receptor activation causes side-branching of mammary gland cells. Density, areolar gland development, and gland lactation development are caused by prolactin receptor activation.

Check pages 5 thru 9
Hormone Action in the Mammary Gland
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2982168/

http://www.breastnexus.com/showthread.php?tid=19582