01-10-2013, 06:20 AM
01-10-2013, 07:30 PM
A -very- interesting paper, although devoid of supporting documentation. It is however mainly consistent with the views put forward by Anne Vitale.
The author's experience seems very similar to my own, except that I was always tall for my age, and big boned (not assets when it comes to femininity), and escaped bullying by my peers (but not by school staff - a serious form of bullying that seems largely overlooked these days), and my hypogonadism is of recent vintage. He attributes his condition to inferred events during the sixteenth and seventeenth weeks of his mother's pregnancy. I have contemporary documentary evidence that my mother contracted German measles during these two weeks of her pregnancy, and though this is beyond the stage at which rubella is likely to produce gross physical damage it seems not unreasonable that it could cause some sort of endocrine disruption.
He goes on to address the issue of DES sons. My step children are both DES kids (among the last due to a doctor who apparently remained oblivious to the already known problematic and ineffective nature of DES treatment to prevent miscarriage). My stepson definitely does -not- exhibit the characteristics recited by the author. He is very masculine, was junior national champion in his sport, was more than somewhat hyperactive, and before finally settling down ran through an amazing galaxy of girlfriends to the extent that we (and he) wonder whether the absence of 'accidents' is due to DES leaving him sterile. The fact that both of my stepchildren have escaped so far any of the more serious results of DES treatment beyond possible sterility does not take away from the fact that it could in sons have the results cited in the article, and is capable of causing a wide range of serious problems in both sons and daughters.
The author's experience seems very similar to my own, except that I was always tall for my age, and big boned (not assets when it comes to femininity), and escaped bullying by my peers (but not by school staff - a serious form of bullying that seems largely overlooked these days), and my hypogonadism is of recent vintage. He attributes his condition to inferred events during the sixteenth and seventeenth weeks of his mother's pregnancy. I have contemporary documentary evidence that my mother contracted German measles during these two weeks of her pregnancy, and though this is beyond the stage at which rubella is likely to produce gross physical damage it seems not unreasonable that it could cause some sort of endocrine disruption.
He goes on to address the issue of DES sons. My step children are both DES kids (among the last due to a doctor who apparently remained oblivious to the already known problematic and ineffective nature of DES treatment to prevent miscarriage). My stepson definitely does -not- exhibit the characteristics recited by the author. He is very masculine, was junior national champion in his sport, was more than somewhat hyperactive, and before finally settling down ran through an amazing galaxy of girlfriends to the extent that we (and he) wonder whether the absence of 'accidents' is due to DES leaving him sterile. The fact that both of my stepchildren have escaped so far any of the more serious results of DES treatment beyond possible sterility does not take away from the fact that it could in sons have the results cited in the article, and is capable of causing a wide range of serious problems in both sons and daughters.
14-12-2013, 07:43 PM
Pansy-Mae,
Just want to say hi, and that I'll send you a PM or e-mail with a question about this paper. Patti
Just want to say hi, and that I'll send you a PM or e-mail with a question about this paper. Patti
14-12-2013, 08:09 PM
(14-12-2013, 07:43 PM)PattiJT Wrote: [ -> ]Pansy-Mae,
Just want to say hi, and that I'll send you a PM or e-mail with a question about this paper. Patti
If you want to get a response, you need to empty your PM folder lol
14-12-2013, 08:30 PM
Sarah,
Been trying. Finally have some space. I can always use the e-mail, so no matter how difficult or slow the PM clearing can be, there is an option. Blew 1/2 the PMs away, and it still says I've used 86% of my space. Maybe it will catch up later. If you'd like an e-mail address, let me know. And you should, cause maybe we can discuss surgical procedures, should you wish? That is, if you're headed that way. Don't know if there's an appropriate place to do that here. Take care, cutie! Patti
Been trying. Finally have some space. I can always use the e-mail, so no matter how difficult or slow the PM clearing can be, there is an option. Blew 1/2 the PMs away, and it still says I've used 86% of my space. Maybe it will catch up later. If you'd like an e-mail address, let me know. And you should, cause maybe we can discuss surgical procedures, should you wish? That is, if you're headed that way. Don't know if there's an appropriate place to do that here. Take care, cutie! Patti
15-12-2013, 03:36 AM
Fascinating. I am old enough that this might have some bearing on me. My mother had my older brother and then miscarried a second child (would have been my older sister) before having me. If she had been given drugs at that time to prevent it from happening to me (which would seem likely) then I would have developed exactly as described. And my childhood mimiced that described ... No sports , introverted, etc. Too bad she is no longer alive for me to ask.
16-12-2013, 12:06 AM
Try Googling ' DES sons gender identity ' and you'll get lots of interesting stuff.
I was interested to find that DES was prescribed to pregnant women as early as 1938 and as late as 1978 in some countries., so theoretically I could be a DES son. It seems unlikely since I was conceived only a year after my parents marriage. My mother could have had a miscarriage in that time but if so I know nothing of it. Its use was so widespread that it does raise the possibility that many here could be DES sons, very possibly without knowing it.
I was interested to find that DES was prescribed to pregnant women as early as 1938 and as late as 1978 in some countries., so theoretically I could be a DES son. It seems unlikely since I was conceived only a year after my parents marriage. My mother could have had a miscarriage in that time but if so I know nothing of it. Its use was so widespread that it does raise the possibility that many here could be DES sons, very possibly without knowing it.