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So I was looking once again at PubMed for more clinical work with herbals and found this good review on anti-androgens. Hope this helps anyone that needs a starting point.

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Grant P, Ramasamy S. An Update on Plant Derived Anti-Androgens. Int J Endocrinol Metab. 2012;10(2):497-502. DOI: 10.5812/ijem.3644

Abstract

Anti-androgens are an assorted group of drugs and compounds that reduce the levels or activity of androgen hormones within the human body. Disease states in which this is relevant include polycystic ovarian syndrome, hirsutism, acne, benign prostatic hyperplasia, and endocrine related cancers such as carcinoma of the prostate.

We provide an overview and discussion of the use of anti-androgen medications in clinical practice and explore the increasing recognition of the benefits of plant-derived anti-androgens, for example, spearmint tea in the management of PCOS, for which some evidence about efficacy is beginning to emerge. Other agents covered include red reishi, which has been shown to reduce levels 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that facilitates conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT); licorice, which has phytoestrogen effects and reduces testosterone levels; Chinese peony, which promotes the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen; green tea, which contains epigallocatechins and also inhibits 5-alpha reductase, thereby reducing the conversion of normal testosterone into the more potent DHT; black cohosh, which has been shown to kill both androgenresponsive and non-responsive human prostate cancer cells; chaste tree, which has a reduces prolactin from the anterior pituitary; and saw palmetto extract, which is used as an anti-androgen although it shown no difference in comparison to placebo in clinical trials.

© 2012, Research Institute For Endocrine Sciences and Iran Endocrine Society
This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.
(03-08-2013, 11:32 AM)SylviaTX Wrote: [ -> ]So I was looking once again at PubMed for more clinical work with herbals and found this good review on anti-androgens. Hope this helps anyone that needs a starting point.

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Grant P, Ramasamy S. An Update on Plant Derived Anti-Androgens. Int J Endocrinol Metab. 2012;10(2):497-502. DOI: 10.5812/ijem.3644

Abstract

Anti-androgens are an assorted group of drugs and compounds that reduce the levels or activity of androgen hormones within the human body. Disease states in which this is relevant include polycystic ovarian syndrome, hirsutism, acne, benign prostatic hyperplasia, and endocrine related cancers such as carcinoma of the prostate.

We provide an overview and discussion of the use of anti-androgen medications in clinical practice and explore the increasing recognition of the benefits of plant-derived anti-androgens, for example, spearmint tea in the management of PCOS, for which some evidence about efficacy is beginning to emerge. Other agents covered include red reishi, which has been shown to reduce levels 5-alpha reductase, the enzyme that facilitates conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT); licorice, which has phytoestrogen effects and reduces testosterone levels; Chinese peony, which promotes the aromatization of testosterone into estrogen; green tea, which contains epigallocatechins and also inhibits 5-alpha reductase, thereby reducing the conversion of normal testosterone into the more potent DHT; black cohosh, which has been shown to kill both androgenresponsive and non-responsive human prostate cancer cells; chaste tree, which has a reduces prolactin from the anterior pituitary; and saw palmetto extract, which is used as an anti-androgen although it shown no difference in comparison to placebo in clinical trials.

© 2012, Research Institute For Endocrine Sciences and Iran Endocrine Society
This is an open-access article distributed under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution License, which permits unrestricted use, distribution, and reproduction in any medium, provided the original work is properly cited.

Interesting that they say saw palmetto shows no difference to placebo... I also didn't know about red reishi, wish I'd known when I'd needed a 5-alpha blocker. Saw palmetto was a bit mean to me, I'm still fighting against the cellulite it gave me.

I REALLLLLY wish I had more data about chinese (white) peony! Lots of things MENTION it as a powerful pro-aromatase, but nothing gives detail on exactly what mechanism is works by... does it work to increase the level of aromatase in some way, directly, or indirectly, or does it merely upregulate the activity of the existing aromatase?

IF it actually INCREASES AROMATASE, then it'd be a fantastic herb to use alongside the others in my program. But if it merely upreg's existing aromatase it'd be useless in a male body.

GRAH! SO FRUSTRATING!
(04-08-2013, 02:19 AM)AbiDrew85 Wrote: [ -> ]I REALLLLLY wish I had more data about chinese (white) peony! Lots of things MENTION it as a powerful pro-aromatase, but nothing gives detail on exactly what mechanism is works by... does it work to increase the level of aromatase in some way, directly, or indirectly, or does it merely upregulate the activity of the existing aromatase?

IF it actually INCREASES AROMATASE, then it'd be a fantastic herb to use alongside the others in my program. But if it merely upreg's existing aromatase it'd be useless in a male body.

GRAH! SO FRUSTRATING!

Same here, I have tried numerous times to find a local place that sells it but no one does, i'm tempted to see if I could find some online and give it a try.
(04-08-2013, 08:34 PM)Lenneth Wrote: [ -> ]Same here, I have tried numerous times to find a local place that sells it but no one does, i'm tempted to see if I could find some online and give it a try.

Yeah. Finding it for sale online isn't too much of a problem. I actually even eventually managed to find it on amazon by first searching for it on google, eventually finding a large catalog of all traditional chinese herbs with their "common" names, traditional names, et al, and got the herbs traditional name, romanized it, plugged that into amazon, and viola. It's not really even all that pricy.

I'm just not the sort of girl who tries things randomly without at least a little more understanding of what it's supposed to be doing. I just don't have enough information yet.