[cilii]

Hello

my name is Christina, 46, i live in Germany. i am a part-time crossdresser who spends most of her freetime as a woman, but has no plan to transition beyond that.
i have been dressing as a woman for way over 25 years, more or less intense, and enjoy it a lot. i addition i am living fulltime locked in chastity and have fuly given up any masculine sexuality. i was always on the chubbier side, got bullied as a teen for my "girl tits", but now like that i have a little bit more than average on top.

i have recently started with 1000 mg PM daily and so far have taken that rather well and feeling good. tbh my goal is not really to end up with DD cup breast (or anything thing else really noticeable) because of work life and personal preferences, but i aim to feminize myself.

especially things like less body hair growth,smooth skin, more feminine emotions, further cementing my non-masculinity and zero-erection lifestyle

right now i ll just see how it goes and how it develops. actually going slow suits me as i somehow would love to experience it like a second puberty instead of "BOOM! theres your boobs"

[Karen Hart]

Hi Christina, 

Welcome to the forum.

Believe me, there will not be any BOOM!, there's your boobs.
It takes time. It can be a real test of patience.

1000 mg of PM is a good starting point.
If you are tolerating it well, you could go to 1500/day, and ultimately maybe even to 2000/day, if necessary.

Are you taking an anti-androgen? This could be very important in getting results.

You may want to add a Progesterone cream to your regimen. One pump per day.
When comparing cost, notice that some brands are 3 ounces and others are 5 ounces.

For example:  https://www.amazon.com/Bio-Identical-Progesterone-Advanced-Delivery-Pro-Relief/dp/B01N12IXCM/ref=sr_1_4_sspa?keywords=progesterone+cream&qid=1699751786&sr=8-4-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

Enjoy your journey!
Breast of luck to you! 

[cilii]

thank you very much

so far all i take is 1000mg PM daily. i ll have a look into your suggestions.

i am wondering how i ll actually first notice any progress. what signs do i have to look for?

[Karen Hart]

If you get results with 1000mg, there is no reason to increase your dose. I could be mistaken but I think that most people wind up using 1500 or 2000 per day. However, everyone is different. It is best to start low and work up... if necessary. Consistency is key. If you take PM irregularly, skipping days or weeks at a time, you are not so likely to get results. However, you could skip a few days or a week at the end of a month of dosing, kind of like a menstrual cycle. Some people feel that that helps but I am not sure about that.
Your first signs that something is happening will likely be itching and/or soreness in your boobs. I experienced soreness in my hip joints and knees. I have heard others report this as well. That was something that always concerned me. Was I doing damage to my body? Some people get headaches and other side-effects. Mentally, PM made me feel very feminine.

The best route to a permanently smooth body is laser hair removal or an epilator. Laser only works on dark hair, not on blond or gray hair. It is a tedious process because it covers such a small area at one time (e.g. 5mm square) and the laser has to recover after every pulse. It could take an hour to cover one leg. I used it successfully on my feet, legs, underarms and forearms. I was concerned about any possible bad outcomes on my face, so I avoided that and only used epilation on my face.

Epilation can hurt like hell, depending on how thick your hair shafts are and how much hair you have. At first, I could not bear it on my face. I decided to individually pluck every whisker, one at a time, with regular tweezers. Now that was a very tedious process. I don't know how many times I did it that way, maybe 10 or 20. As you may know, when done over and over, plucking the same hair, it gets easier and less painful. Eventually I started using an epilator. It was never easy, especially on the upper lip. The first time I epilated my forearms, they were blazing red and felt like they were on fire. They stung terribly for several hours. Don't do it near bedtime, like I did! Now that I think about it, I should have tried ice and aspirin to calm it down.

Ultimately, I used both laser and epilation on every area I mentioned, but only epilation on my face. If you use epilation, you have to wait a couple of weeks before you can use a laser because much of the hair is below the surface. Epilation is best done every fourth day, if I remember correctly, because you want to catch the hair at a specific time in its' growth cycle. With the new lasers today, I might feel comfortable using one on my face. I still have some whiskers that I cannot get rid of and they are gray now, so I can only epilate. I have to epilate about once a week. The rest of my body, I epilate about once a year. What hair is there, is very light and can only be seen up close, in a strong light. Cannot feel it either.

I hope this answered some questions and gave you some things to think about.

Karen

[Teddy]

thank you very much

so far all i take is 1000mg PM daily. i ll have a look into your suggestions.

i am wondering how i ll actually first notice any progress. what signs do i have to look for?

It seems that at least most people notice first tenderness of their nipples, and thereafter also "budding" of sensitive lumps under their nipples. That is beginning of the growth. However, note that this is a quite slow process and takes typically several weeks to start and year or two before having some "real breasts". 

Note that this is bit like girl's puberty: The boobs start growing slowly, and growth takes its time.

It might be a good idea to browse this site and read what others have experienced.

-Teddy

[Shirazmn]

Hi Christina, welcome to BN.

I echo more or less everything others have told you. NBE is a slow process. You'll feel something even after two weeks, but that's mostly because your skin will get smoother and you'll feel the fabric on it a lot more. Fat deposit starts around month 2 or 3, but it won't look like growth to anyone but you at the beginning. Real boobs start after bussing, which is a time when small lumps form between both your nipples and expand under the areolas. That's the first bit of actual breast tissue and, trust me, when that happens you will notice it. We are talking about feeling pain even just from the weight of your clothes, and for at least a couple of weeks. After that, which on PM happens at month 5 or 6 usually, you'll start your journey into real boobage and any gains will be at least partially permanent. If you are very lucky, by the end of year 1 you may have a small A cup with a bit of underboob crease and sensitive nipples (one of the best parts, if you ask me).

Regarding the no-erection thing, you could add Saw Palmetto (also known as SP here on the forum). It's a natural Anti Androgen that lowers testosterone and helps PM a bit. Lowering testosterone has the immediate effect of getting inthe way of erections and sex drive. One word of warning here: lowering sex drive can be "a problem" if you lead a fetish inclined life. I crossdress and do NBE as a fetish, and when the T (testosterone) goes down (as a result of taking PM) I feel something like a start of depression (low energy, low self esteem, lots of WTF moments). If fetish sex drive is what moves you, be very careful when hormones take you on a roller coaster. Try to see yourself from the outside and learn to deal with the downers. Once you get past the point of low T (or high E) things get better. Pausing PM does help recovering fro mthat state (it takes about 2 weeks) but it will come back again when you restart, so you should learn how to deal with it.

Good luck with your journey!

[cilii]

i have 25 years experience with epilation and ipl. i am just wondering how and when pm affects body hair growth. and the same for facial hair since skin gets softer (i have plucked my facial hair as well in the past, no fun ride)

i want to go slow also to be able to feel the effects on my libido. i am a full time chastity cage wearer for 2 years now and so the size of my penis is not something i worry about. the smaller the better, chastity has already reduced it for over half and i like that

that all said i definately dont have a choice and have to appear male in my daily work life. so i am looking to walk a fine line and want to approach it slowly, but steady

[tomi66]

@Cilii, you may want to try a BO cream appied directly to your penis and scrotum. It shouldn't affect breast development as much as BO orally would. When your significant other wants you to have breasts then BO will be your best bet to achieve tiny penis, gonads sunk deep up in their place and a scrotum that will be prepubescent and zero erections unless you take cialis viagra cocktail and stimulate the prostate. Otherwise it's tiny and soft, you can still cum, when allowed, but you won't get hard, you have to do it like a girl.

[cilii]

hmmm ok, i am totally without knowledge about BO, except i always heard it should not be taken together with PM. i ll have to catch up reading about it. thank you

[tomi66]

I have been on a BO for a year. When I was growing up I was also chubby and had boobs, I wasn't really made fun of but I was really self conscious and wore baggy clothes, and I have also been cross dressing since childhood.

So BO has worked well for me and will initiate a permanent change to a more feminine shape, softness mindset, feelings and mannerisms. I take a BO Petuitary Glandular and kelp blend. It is recommended to also take a few supplements and take the BO with high protein shakes. I can share more information with you in pm if you would like, or I can share more here

PM is good but I have heard that it isn't usually permanent except for breast growthand that feminine features may recedes over time.

It's also reported tha with BO you need a temperature that runs about 98.6 or higher for best results.

I am not in chastity but I really struggle with getting erect, I plan on reducing my intake after in January and after a while the erections will come back but my I am pretty sure my scrotum and non erect penis will remain small now, at least that what others have reported.

Honestly I love rubbing my soft penis pushed down inside me like it were a vagina

TMI