[PantyWearerOK]

My 2 cents:
I have taken PM inconsistently in the last year, at various dosage. Before PM I used flaxoil and red clover for a few months.
While I was on Flax + RC I lost most of my function and didn't get much in terms of breasts. At the time I didn't care too much because my wife was pregnant and sex was not gonna happen anyway. But I got scared and stopped everything. Function returned after a couple of months.
Towards the end of pregnancy I started PM out of curiosity. With PM powder (1000 / 1500 mg/day) and some RC 430mg here and there I, again, lost function quite quickly. I stopped again and after about 3 months I regained stamina, size etc. I hadn't gained much in the chest department but I started budding and some "pointy" shape remained.

9 months after that, about 5 months ago, I tried Oxford Vitality PM 250mg at 10:1 concentration. In theory this should be the same as 2500 mg of PM. Feelings in my chest increased. Sex wasn't in my mind, my wife was away with our baby for a month to her parents', but I wouldn't say that I wasn't horny or performing. I had to stop quite soon because I could really feel a change in my chest and I had to go pick up my wife to the seaside... During a fetish party a friend asked me if I was doing anything to my chest, so the little growth I had wasn't just in my mind.

About a month ago I restarted, you know how they say that PM is addictive... I took one 250 mg OV pills per day during the weekdays only for the last 3 weeks. I can feel and see changes. Clearly. My chest bounces and a colleague made some jokes. The funny part is that this time again I have not lost any function "downstairs", actually, I am constantly horny and my orgasms are longer and better. My wife uses nipple stimulation to make me come in bed, and it works a lot!
So, I don't know if it's because I dropped everything but PM, or because I changed from Ainterol to OV, because I got used to PM, or whatever, but now I am getting growth and sexual performances at the same time. Bingo!
i am getting tiredness and some sore muscles and bones from PM, that's why I am taking a week off, but the decrease in sexual performances doesn't happen any more.

Just be careful, i know of at least one person suffering from this after taking PM.
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/...a-symptoms
 
Some people are more susceptible than others.

The link you supplied had no discussion of an association between Pueraria Mirifica and fibromyalgia.  Can you source a reference that goes beyond an anecdote?

[Shirazmn]

@Jannet thank you for the advice.
While the fatigue is present, most of the other elements are not there at all. Hopefully that is not my case.

Sometimes in the past I wrote a post about "overdosing" with PM. I simply had no clue about concentration and I took up to the equivalent of 6000 mg/day. The symptoms I had were the same that I described in my post here, and that's how I can understand how much my body can take and when it's wise to slow down. I think that right now I found a decent balance knowing that I can go on for 3 weeks with 2500mg/day before having any issue. I am not going ot push that boundary and I will take it easy. Also, I am both happy and surprised by how fast things are happening this time around, so I promised myself to quit altogether at the end of the past three weeks. I then decided, out of curiosity and thanks to the fact that my wife has yet to say a word about it, to try and do three more weeks from next Monday, but after that I will really have to stop because I want to be in decent shape (read: "manly" shape without boobs) when swimming with my friends and family between Oct and Jan.
After Jan, maybe, I will start again.

Going back to the Male function subject, considering that I am not having any decrease in performances, I am toying with growth/de-growth. I like the feeling of growth and I can tell when it's happening. I also know that after a few months without PM and with some excercise I can regain a more muscular and manly chest. So I am intentionally swinging up and down, drawing part of my sexual excitement from the idea and the subtle feeling of having breasts.

[jannet.duff]

My 2 cents:
I have taken PM inconsistently in the last year, at various dosage. Before PM I used flaxoil and red clover for a few months.
While I was on Flax + RC I lost most of my function and didn't get much in terms of breasts. At the time I didn't care too much because my wife was pregnant and sex was not gonna happen anyway. But I got scared and stopped everything. Function returned after a couple of months.
Towards the end of pregnancy I started PM out of curiosity. With PM powder (1000 / 1500 mg/day) and some RC 430mg here and there I, again, lost function quite quickly. I stopped again and after about 3 months I regained stamina, size etc. I hadn't gained much in the chest department but I started budding and some "pointy" shape remained.

9 months after that, about 5 months ago, I tried Oxford Vitality PM 250mg at 10:1 concentration. In theory this should be the same as 2500 mg of PM. Feelings in my chest increased. Sex wasn't in my mind, my wife was away with our baby for a month to her parents', but I wouldn't say that I wasn't horny or performing. I had to stop quite soon because I could really feel a change in my chest and I had to go pick up my wife to the seaside... During a fetish party a friend asked me if I was doing anything to my chest, so the little growth I had wasn't just in my mind.

About a month ago I restarted, you know how they say that PM is addictive... I took one 250 mg OV pills per day during the weekdays only for the last 3 weeks. I can feel and see changes. Clearly. My chest bounces and a colleague made some jokes. The funny part is that this time again I have not lost any function "downstairs", actually, I am constantly horny and my orgasms are longer and better. My wife uses nipple stimulation to make me come in bed, and it works a lot!
So, I don't know if it's because I dropped everything but PM, or because I changed from Ainterol to OV, because I got used to PM, or whatever, but now I am getting growth and sexual performances at the same time. Bingo!
i am getting tiredness and some sore muscles and bones from PM, that's why I am taking a week off, but the decrease in sexual performances doesn't happen any more.

Just be careful, i know of at least one person suffering from this after taking PM.
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/...a-symptoms
 
Some people are more susceptible than others.

The link you supplied had no discussion of an association between Pueraria Mirifica and fibromyalgia.  Can you source a reference that goes beyond an anecdote?

Sorry no, all i can tell you is i personly know one person this happened to. When they stopped taking PM the issues cleared up. After starting PM again the problems came back.  There have been a few threads about medical issues being caused by high amount of PM usage. This is one of the reasons i always sugest spreading the intake through out the day, and then stopping for a few days.

[julieTG]

Hi all

well I decided to measure myself in the down below dep too see if

2 years on pm and now hrt had caused any shrinkage

4 years ago I measured at

7.25 inches

and guess what on Saturday as still approx 7.2

and whats more while being happy with the wife I lasted for ages after and was still hard

Think it is a case of use it or lost it

I am often hard many times daily so it gets exercise , if not frisky I just a take a sneak look at

Polys new growth, that soon wakes things up

Lol

x

Julie

[Billie]

Hi again I have some great results from Cialis.  So far I suffered from impotence from a back injury. Then I used PM and BO in rotation each month.  My femanization and sissification further effected my arousal, my sexual subjects of desire, my volume of ejaculate, my size of my gonads, and my ability to orgasm.
  So now a month into a rotation of Viagra and Cialis my total improvement is great.  I am experiencing arousals mant times a day.  I am able to perform for my wife multiple times. My use of horny goat weed and maca have assisted the volume of ejaculate.  A ts on another forum said I should not be producing sperm anymore.  I said that is true I lost my fertility beteeen my spinal cord injury and my femanization.

[julieTG]

Hi all

still here giving hope for all the Girls who still want to use the Boy tool,

My body seems to have adjusted now and the libido is back with a force but in a completely different way

Def more female in attitude and boy tool I lead it now rather than other way round and it romped extrermely well over weekend if you know what I mean

and was also super excited this morning,

Not bad for 2 years continuous pretty well pm/hrt


Julie
x

[notquitemale]

 It is a little over 3 years  started on pm and bo but  I love hrt too much. I very rarely have erection with the help of viagra. My wife accepts  my lack of erections. Seems like zero semen  climax is dry.
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[julieTG]

Hi all
Just for a little encouragement for those here who wish to retain Male function

Well here I am 10 years dabbling in herbs, including 1.5 years on estrogen and last night wife and I made love and for some reason flicked into full male mode and it was so hard it almost felt it had grown an inch

It was very very very hard, and very very very deep 

Really cannot explain it but perhaps that I’m at the moment very balanced, ie gd there but low , and just settled 

X

Julie

[Dartanious Lea]

My 2 cents,
I'm working very fast to reach the 70th birthday. Started NBE at 67 and love the results. When it comes to wood, not sure I could be a good example. Had a vasectomy when I was in my late 30's. So quality and quantity of my ejaculate is suspect. I can say that it is harder to maintain wood and the color is all clear.

[julieTG]

Well just to keep this thread updated and balanced

I upped my estrogen dosage to 100 to 150mg per 3 days 

Nipples are larger and growth jumped 

Also I am frisky as hell , but and a big but

Boy tool is a little down , it’s keen and eager Ish

Hard but sensivity reduced and certainly not as responsive 

So this week really is the balance line, it really wants to play mentally but physically no

However I have the feeling it could just be that I have been in subservient mode 

Interesting though was the fact that my stubble on Sunday gree faster which would indulge t up 

Little confusing at moment so will keep you updated

X

Julie