Hello once again to everybody, I'm Mike and I'm new in the forum. I read some of your threads and I admire your extensive knowledge about how hormones work. I was hoping you could help me. We might have some differences but please, bare with me. I would really appreciate your help.
I'm taking some supplements with the intention to raise my Testosterone levels. It is quite a cocktail, but I don't want to complicate even more the equation so I will just mention my question regarding one of them: D Aspartic Acid.
I'm taking 3000mg one day, the next day I take 2352mg, next day 3000mg and so on. You get the idea. I take it like that because it's two different blends of supps. Anyway, I've been taking that for 16 days and on the month I will take a break for 2 weeks and then resume.
As far as I know it is known to raise testosterone by 40% but also estrogen by 80%, right?
I want to raise my testosterone (and hopefully with the help from the other supplements) to get hairier.
My question is: If, for example, I keep taking it for two years, will I get hairier and at the same time I will grow breasts?
I know it's going to be a huge guess but, to what dosage of PM/Fenugreek/whatever-breast-enlargement-herb do you think it's comparable estrogen-wise?
I'm probably going to have to mention later on, the other supplements for testosterone that I'm taking. I just don't want to overwhelm you more...
PS: I'm also massaging my chest and belly everyday twice a day with Peppermint oil diluted in body cream. Although I do it for the bloodflow to the hair follicle, I guess massaging affects the breasts too. Just so you have it in mind.
Lastly, I've been feeling some sensitivity on my chest area. Is it just the increased bloodflow on the skin? Or something is happening in my breasts? I will not do the massage tomorrow, to check if I still feel it. how does it feel when they grow anyway?
Thank you for taking the time to read my post. I'm aware of the complexity of it and that it's hard to process. It just would mean a lot to me if we could figure it out together. I don't expect quick answers, just to work it out.
My priority at the moment is growing more body hair and getting some muscle. I wouldn't mind eventually growing breasts. As long as I stay masculine in the rest of aspects.
I was just wondering if it's going to happen unintentionally. To know what to expect. To know if I need to make a decision.
(29-01-2021, 12:08 AM)guy_and_lingerie Wrote: It sounds to me like you are all over the place and trying for too much at the same time.
I think you have to make a choice of whether you want to go for testosterone for a more masculine appearance, or go for estrogen for the feminine. You can't have it both ways at once.
I am not familiar with D-Aspartic acid, but I did look it up and it seems to promote increase in testosterone.
PM works exactly the same as estrogen. You will get breasts, but also decreased libido, probably genital shrinkage, and other feminizing effects - including less body hair.
Fenugreek is fairly safe in that it should give breasts with no other side effects, providing you can tolerate it.
I would suggest that you research any and all possible supplements that you are considering before taking them. Even seemingly harmless herbs have certain results. This is a very good forum to ask your questions and look up information.
Keep in mind too that it is all in the genes. Testosterone, estrogen, or any other herbs will only enhance what nature gave you. I had the opportunity to have all the steroids that I wanted, but it would not have made me a fearsome bodybuilder! LOL
Joey
No no, don't misunderstand me. I know exactly what I want. As I said, I want to raise my testosterone. That's the only way to grow body hair... I do research everything. A lot. But if you raise Testosterone Estrogen follows, right?
I just wanted to know what you people think, does that dosage of D Aspartic Acid sound to you like an equivalent to taking something oriented for breast enlargement? It's not what I'm aiming for at the moment. I just wonder if both results would happen.
Thanks for the comment Joey
(29-01-2021, 12:38 AM)Mike_Chest Wrote:
(29-01-2021, 12:08 AM)guy_and_lingerie Wrote: It sounds to me like you are all over the place and trying for too much at the same time.
I think you have to make a choice of whether you want to go for testosterone for a more masculine appearance, or go for estrogen for the feminine. You can't have it both ways at once.
I am not familiar with D-Aspartic acid, but I did look it up and it seems to promote increase in testosterone.
PM works exactly the same as estrogen. You will get breasts, but also decreased libido, probably genital shrinkage, and other feminizing effects - including less body hair.
Fenugreek is fairly safe in that it should give breasts with no other side effects, providing you can tolerate it.
I would suggest that you research any and all possible supplements that you are considering before taking them. Even seemingly harmless herbs have certain results. This is a very good forum to ask your questions and look up information.
Keep in mind too that it is all in the genes. Testosterone, estrogen, or any other herbs will only enhance what nature gave you. I had the opportunity to have all the steroids that I wanted, but it would not have made me a fearsome bodybuilder! LOL
Joey
No no, don't misunderstand me. I know exactly what I want. As I said, I want to raise my testosterone. That's the only way to grow body hair... I do research everything. A lot. But if you raise Testosterone Estrogen follows, right?
I just wanted to know what you people think, does that dosage of D Aspartic Acid sound to you like an equivalent to taking something oriented for breast enlargement? It's not what I'm aiming for at the moment. I just wonder if both results would happen.
Thanks for the comment Joey
(29-01-2021, 02:37 AM)VergeOfDiscovery Wrote:(29-01-2021, 12:38 AM)Mike_Chest Wrote:
(29-01-2021, 12:08 AM)guy_and_lingerie Wrote: It sounds to me like you are all over the place and trying for too much at the same time.
I think you have to make a choice of whether you want to go for testosterone for a more masculine appearance, or go for estrogen for the feminine. You can't have it both ways at once.
I am not familiar with D-Aspartic acid, but I did look it up and it seems to promote increase in testosterone.
PM works exactly the same as estrogen. You will get breasts, but also decreased libido, probably genital shrinkage, and other feminizing effects - including less body hair.
Fenugreek is fairly safe in that it should give breasts with no other side effects, providing you can tolerate it.
I would suggest that you research any and all possible supplements that you are considering before taking them. Even seemingly harmless herbs have certain results. This is a very good forum to ask your questions and look up information.
Keep in mind too that it is all in the genes. Testosterone, estrogen, or any other herbs will only enhance what nature gave you. I had the opportunity to have all the steroids that I wanted, but it would not have made me a fearsome bodybuilder! LOL
Joey
No no, don't misunderstand me. I know exactly what I want. As I said, I want to raise my testosterone. That's the only way to grow body hair... I do research everything. A lot. But if you raise Testosterone Estrogen follows, right?
I just wanted to know what you people think, does that dosage of D Aspartic Acid sound to you like an equivalent to taking something oriented for breast enlargement? It's not what I'm aiming for at the moment. I just wonder if both results would happen.
Thanks for the comment Joey
Re: I know exactly what I want.
That's the best vantage point, regardless of the aim.
Agreed and I see from your follow up that I misunderstood.
Joey
Exactly Lotus, you totally got my point. Thank you so much for your help. You really shed some light on this.
I just looked it up and it seems like I3C (Indole-3-Carbinol) is the precursor of DIM, the latter is not exactly Bioavailable by itself so I'm going to have to take I3C instead. I will do it as soon as possible. I've also been thinking about adding Biotin to the cocktail, that can only help right? It's meant for hair growth.
I'm going to get bloodtests done to keep an eye on things. The laboratory where I'll go doesn't offer any DHT checks, I'm only going to get readings about Testosterone, FSH, LH, SHBG, Prolactin and TSH. Is it possible to calculate DHT out of that? Or is it just enough with those?
(29-01-2021, 01:20 PM)Mike_Chest Wrote:Exactly Lotus, you totally got my point. Thank you so much for your help. You really shed some light on this.
I just looked it up and it seems like I3C (Indole-3-Carbinol) is the precursor of DIM, the latter is not exactly Bioavailable by itself so I'm going to have to take I3C instead. I will do it as soon as possible. I've also been thinking about adding Biotin to the cocktail, that can only help right? It's meant for hair growth.
I'm going to get bloodtests done to keep an eye on things. The laboratory where I'll go doesn't offer any DHT checks, I'm only going to get readings about Testosterone, FSH, LH, SHBG, Prolactin and TSH. Is it possible to calculate DHT out of that? Or is it just enough with those?